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22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Because they know which way the wind blows. 

 

Why do poor rural whites vote for the corporate GOP? 


If I had to guess perhaps those rural white voters believe they themselves will be better and will bet on themselves. 
 

See that’s the difference between the ideologies, self reliance vs government reliance, and there is a party that just wants you to rely on the government, they know what is best for you. 
 

Let’s take an example, it seems like you have been voting democrat for sometime, if democrats policies are so great.....................why are you still washing my sheets?

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20 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:


If I had to guess perhaps those rural white voters believe they themselves will be better and will bet on themselves. 
 

See that’s the difference between the ideologies, self reliance vs government reliance, and there is a party that just wants you to rely on the government, they know what is best for you. 
 

Let’s take an example, it seems like you have been voting democrat for sometime, if democrats policies are so great.....................why are you still washing my sheets?

So you do not live in the world of reality. That explains why you don't understand the real world. 

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53 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Because they know which way the wind blows. 

 

Why do poor rural whites vote for the corporate GOP? 

  To protect their freedom of course.  They rightly believe that it is not the government's job to solve all their problems.  

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1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  To protect their freedom of course.  They rightly believe that it is not the government's job to solve all their problems.  


Oh no. That’s not it.  It’s because they cling to their guns and religion. See I know this because Obama told me so. 

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2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  To protect their freedom of course.  They rightly believe that it is not the government's job to solve all their problems.  

I do not have a problem with them not wanting any help and dying soon. But that other people can't get services because of their racist beliefs is wrong. 

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33 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So you do not live in the world of reality. That explains why you don't understand the real world. 


I understand the real world perfectly.
You seem confused, for example, you think voting is a service or a convenience, when in fact it is a right. 
A person EXERCISES their right. 


 

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28 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I do not have a problem with them not wanting any help and dying soon. But that other people can't get services because of their racist beliefs is wrong. 

So, people who want the government to leave them alone and not give them anything are naturally racist and somehow are depriving the moochers from their mooch? 

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22 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:


I understand the real world perfectly.
You seem confused, for example, you think voting is a service or a convenience, when in fact it is a right. 
A person EXERCISES their right. 


 

Why are Republicans losing the Suburban vote? And the women's vote? 

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Why are Republicans losing the Suburban vote? And the women's vote? 

 

Are they?  Or is this like 2016 where the polling is wrong, because people are afraid to admit who they're voting for?

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17 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

I'll never understand people who want the government to control every aspect of their life, health care, education, finance etc. I;m guessing they just don't like freedom or thinking for themselves

 

...you know the drill.....if someone else takes care of your every need with no worries at others' expense, you do NOT bite the hand that feeds you.....you become acclimated to THAT comfort zone without feeling a need to do better for yourself......we know that more will follow to add to that zone anyhow.......hence the attractiveness of today's socialism.....the "Robinhood Mentality"...........

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2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...you know the drill.....if someone else takes care of you every need with no worries at others' expense, you do NOT bite the hand that feeds you.....you become acclimated to THAT comfort zone without feeling a need to do better for yourself......we know that more will follow to add to that zone anyhow.......hence the attractiveness of today's socialism.....the "Robinhood Mentality"...........

It blows my mind, I want to take these people and slap them upside their head and tell them, the bigger the government, the less freedom you have, and if that's what they want, there's a bunch of countries they can go and have the government control their lives, in fact, there's a little island just 90 miles away that would be perfect for them

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23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Why are Republicans losing the Suburban vote? And the women's vote? 


We will see about that suburban group, somehow I don’t see what’s been going on lately in democrat run cities as a shining endorsement to the Democratic Party. As for the women’s vote, you have Trump VS Biden, flip a coin on that one.

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6 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:


We will see about that suburban group, somehow I don’t see what’s been going on lately in democrat run cities as a shining endorsement to the Democratic Party. As for the women’s vote, you have Trump VS Biden, flip a coin on that one.

Actually, it'll be Trump vs. Harris/ Bass or Warren, if, by some miracle Biden wins, he'll be out within 6 months

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On 6/11/2020 at 3:12 PM, 3rdnlng said:

Does anyone remember or even know about the change in Orange County, CA in the 2018 elections where the county & surrounding areas went from red to blue in a miraculous manner? Seems like ballot harvesting, a scheme invented by democrats was a key to making that happen. 

Why is everything a conspiracy ? Oh I forgot because 45% of the people elected the conspiracy king to lead out country.  Hu the way why did he disband his election fraud commission that was gonna to find that widespread voter fraud that caused Hilary to win the popular vote ?? Because they found little irregularity and ones they do find actually favored GOP candidates. That’s why. How come you didn’t bring up the Georgia governor elections where non mail in polling was rigged by the then Secretary of State for the candidate for governor to just narrowly win. By the way the guy doing the rigging was also the candidate and is the now the governor and he is still trying to rig that whole state. 

 

I have voted mail in in the last 7 elections, so it is hardly a new concept. 34 stayed already allow for it. 15 others already allow for it under unique circumstance of which COVID is one. Funny but the MAGA folks always wuiye the constitution and rule of law unless it doesn’t favor their outcome like here.....

 

By the way, rigging machines is easier than rigging paper ballots because the machine paper trail just comes from the data in the machine. Change the data and if changed the paper trail.

 

HBO had a pretty interesting documentary showing just how easily hacked our systems are. For instance in that Georgia election, one very populated precinct has 75% registered dems be 5% GOP. At the end of the day the law says each machine had to put the computer tally from each machine on its windows as a sort or public display of the honesty of the election. That precinct had 12 machines. 1 machine had registered 85% of the people vote straight GOP on it. In a precinct with 75% registered dems to have one machine have that kind of number shows fraud. The rest of the machines were all in line with the registered Dem vote %. They modeled the odds of that occurring naturally. It was 1 in 1.5million. 

 

So the solutions have already been proposed by Dem congressional leaders and have been rejected over and over again. 

1. Have an election holiday

2. Everyone who is a citizen is automatically eligible to vote 

3. Have every system also have a paper trail that isnt system  generated so the tech can’t be rigged. 

4. Allow early paper voting. If you miss that window then you have to go to the polling place to vote. 

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15 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Why is everything a conspiracy ? Oh I forgot because 45% of the people elected the conspiracy king to lead out country.  Hu the way why did he disband his election fraud commission that was gonna to find that widespread voter fraud that caused Hilary to win the popular vote ?? Because they found little irregularity and ones they do find actually favored GOP candidates. That’s why. How come you didn’t bring up the Georgia governor elections where non mail in polling was rigged by the then Secretary of State for the candidate for governor to just narrowly win. By the way the guy doing the rigging was also the candidate and is the now the governor and he is still trying to rig that whole state. 

 

I have voted mail in in the last 7 elections, so it is hardly a new concept. 34 stayed already allow for it. 15 others already allow for it under unique circumstance of which COVID is one. Funny but the MAGA folks always wuiye the constitution and rule of law unless it doesn’t favor their outcome like here.....

 

By the way, rigging machines is easier than rigging paper ballots because the machine paper trail just comes from the data in the machine. Change the data and if changed the paper trail.

 

HBO had a pretty interesting documentary showing just how easily hacked our systems are. For instance in that Georgia election, one very populated precinct has 75% registered dems be 5% GOP. At the end of the day the law says each machine had to put the computer tally from each machine on its windows as a sort or public display of the honesty of the election. That precinct had 12 machines. 1 machine had registered 85% of the people vote straight GOP on it. In a precinct with 75% registered dems to have one machine have that kind of number shows fraud. The rest of the machines were all in line with the registered Dem vote %. They modeled the odds of that occurring naturally. It was 1 in 1.5million. 

 

So the solutions have already been proposed by Dem congressional leaders and have been rejected over and over again. 

1. Have an election holiday

2. Everyone who is a citizen is automatically eligible to vote 

3. Have every system also have a paper trail that isnt system  generated so the tech can’t be rigged. 

4. Allow early paper voting. If you miss that window then you have to go to the polling place to vote. 

Next time either proofread your voice generated type or don't use it. It was painful reading your inaccurate talking points punctuated by the wrong words and misspellings. Also, you might want to provide some links for your horseshit claims. Be better.

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