Rob's House Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hedge said: It seems like she was actually his step-mother, but... "Our unwavering commitment to always do the right thing has led us to severe ties with an employee who expressed views that do not align with our culture..." This could have been a conversation like: "You're step-son is a racist murderer." "No. He really isn't, he was doing his job." "FIRED!" I hope we hear her side of this soon. Equity Prime Mortgage in Atlanta 678-205-3554 In case you would like to see about the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Rob's House said: If people were serious about the issue these are the conversations they'd be having. There are a lot of aspects of the criminal justice system that could be reformed that would go a lot further in addressing unjust outcomes for people of all races than focusing on police practices. Most of the greatest injustices happen in the courtroom where the cop has no official power. In some states prosecutors can stack charges in ways never intended and force a jury trial (juries can't suspend time) which often means risking extra years or decades in prison for the privilege of exercising your right to trial. On top of that, legislators have become increasingly fond of mandatory minimum sentencing, which is categorically abominable. I've seen an innocent man faced with the choice of pleading guilty and serving 2.5 years or go to trial where if convicted he would serve a mandatory life sentence. The only involvement the cops had was investigating and picking him up after the prosecutor issued the indictment. Teaching the public how to handle a police encounter would probably save more lives than additional police training, but no one wants to talk about that either. It's extremely rare for a cop to kill someone out of any motive other than fear. If you know how to handle the situation you significantly reduce the already low risk of becoming a statistic. Bit that's skating dangerously close to "victim blaming." There are police tactics I don't care for, particularly wrt seeking out arrests where it isn't necessary, but that doesn't get talked about either. That's more an issue of pressures placed on officers to make arrests than with [most of] the officers themselves. It's also fueled by budgetary concerns, so no politician will touch it. People aren't interested in putting forth the effort required to really understand the issues and come up with solutions. It's easier to rage about things they don't understand and feel good about themselves for it. Perfectly put, on all accounts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, westside2 said: Let it burn, that's what they want. In fact, I wouldn't mind if all the liberal cities burned to the ground! the liberal cities are literally whats keeping america afloat lol thats why California has the 5th highest GDP in the world. California alone could suffocate the entire south and midwestern united states if they wanted to. you do realize Buffalo is a liberal city also right ? Edited June 19, 2020 by Penfield45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Hedge said: It seems like she was actually his step-mother, but... "Our unwavering commitment to always do the right thing has led us to severe ties with an employee who expressed views that do not align with our culture..." This could have been a conversation like: "You're step-son is a racist murderer." "No. He really isn't, he was doing his job." "FIRED!" I hope we hear her side of this soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: the liberal cities are literally whats keeping america afloat lol thats why California has the 5th highest GDP in the world. California alone could suffocate the entire south and midwestern united states if they wanted to. you do realize Buffalo is a liberal city also right ? Do you know California is in serious debt? It's on the verge of going bankrupt. You take away the liberal cities and crime would be reduced immediately? You say democratic cities is keeping America afloat? Like Detroit, st. Louis, gary Indiana, LA,? They are bringing America down, not keeping America afloat. I assume by your name you are a resident of Penfield. A upper class WHITE town. Nice schools, parks, quality of life. It's awfully easy to comment about democratic cities while you live in a white suburb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: the liberal cities are literally whats keeping america afloat lol Wow! that “literally” is bullsh*t. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: People aren't interested in putting forth the effort required to really understand the issues and come up with solutions. It's easier to rage about things they don't understand and feel good about themselves for it. Amen. This is what is driving me nuts on this thing. If we want to solve the police brutality and higher death rates per % of population for blacks, we would study the problem first to see exactly what we have. In 2020 we.have data analytic methods that can determine trends and patterns in large amounts of structured and unstructured data. Perhaps we could find some things we didn't know that we could fix. It is used for all sorts of applications. IBM Watson is such a technology. I'm not necessarily saying use that. There are others. It's just the one I know about cuz I used to work for IBM. Load on all the data for every case where someone was killed by police. Police reports, trial transcripts, any private investigations that were done, depositions, forensics, ballistics, autopsy reports etc. See what trends/commonalities come out of it.I https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_data Edited June 19, 2020 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Amen. This is what is driving me nuts on this thing. If we want to solve the police brutality and higher death rates per % of population for blacks, we would study the problem first to see exactly what we have. In 2020 we.have data analytic methods that can determine trends and patterns in large amounts of structured and unstructured data. Perhaps we could find some things we didn't know that we could fix. It is used for all sorts of applications. IBM Watson is such a technology. I'm not necessarily saying use that. There are others. It's just the one I know about cuz I used to work for IBM. Load on all the data for every case where someone was killed by police. Police reports, trial transcripts, any private investigations that were done, depositions, forensics, ballistics, autopsy reports etc. See what trends/commonalities come out of it.I https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_data As someone who recently bought stock in IBM I support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 When the Bills, and to a lesser extent Sabres, are playing again and there's no police there for traffic and pedestrian control and not handling the unrulys, how much better the fan experience will certainty be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: When the Bills, and to a lesser extent Sabres, are playing again and there's no police there for traffic and pedestrian control and not handling the unrulys, how much better the fan experience will certainty be. Amen to that!! We'd finally be free!!! I'm sure everyone would be on their best behavior with no law enforcement around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, westside2 said: Amen to that!! We'd finally be free!!! I'm sure everyone would be on their best behavior with no law enforcement around. Canalside without cops ought have a much nicer clientele who won't act out as well as those who frequent along the harbour front offerings along Furhman Blvd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: When the Bills, and to a lesser extent Sabres, are playing again and there's no police there for traffic and pedestrian control and not handling the unrulys, how much better the fan experience will certainty be. Well, they'll use unarmed street patrol. But they'd still need a few cops there just in case I guess. The thing no one talks about in this re imagining the police in regards to using social workers and marriage counselors to respond to calls is where are these people going to come from? There are not that many social workers and they don't make much money and are over worked. We don't have mental health systems in place for responding to calls and committing people for observation and treatment. Where we gonna put 'em? On top of that, the mental health treatment success rate is very low. It would also mean 911 operators would have to be very adept at diagnosing the problem in short order to send the right people. We would need a lot more specialists and the ability to deploy them properly. The reason we send cops out to everything is cuz that's all we got. Oh, and all this will have to be done while state and local governments are short on funds due to the COVID-19 shutdown. Jay "The Snake" Inslee is already promising draconian budget cuts if the Feds don't send him money. I don't trust the government to be able to re organize and set up all this without making it worse. Edited June 19, 2020 by reddogblitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Well, they'll use unarmed street patrol. But they'd still need a few cops there just in case I guess. The thing no one talks about in this re imagining the police in regards to using social workers and marriage counselors to respond to calls is where are these people going to come from? There are not that many social workers and they don't make much money and are over worked. We don't have mental health systems in place for responding to calls and committing people for observation and treatment. Where we gonna put 'em? On top of that, the mental health treatment success rate is very low. It would also mean 911 operators would have to be very adept at diagnosing the problem in short order to send the right people. We would need a lot more specialists and the ability to deploy them properly. The reason we send cops out to everything is cuz that's all we got. I don't trust the government to be able to re organize and set up all this without making it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Rob's House said: If people were serious about the issue these are the conversations they'd be having. There are a lot of aspects of the criminal justice system that could be reformed that would go a lot further in addressing unjust outcomes for people of all races than focusing on police practices. Most of the greatest injustices happen in the courtroom where the cop has no official power. In some states prosecutors can stack charges in ways never intended and force a jury trial (juries can't suspend time) which often means risking extra years or decades in prison for the privilege of exercising your right to trial. On top of that, legislators have become increasingly fond of mandatory minimum sentencing, which is categorically abominable. I've seen an innocent man faced with the choice of pleading guilty and serving 2.5 years or go to trial where if convicted he would serve a mandatory life sentence. The only involvement the cops had was investigating and picking him up after the prosecutor issued the indictment. Teaching the public how to handle a police encounter would probably save more lives than additional police training, but no one wants to talk about that either. It's extremely rare for a cop to kill someone out of any motive other than fear. If you know how to handle the situation you significantly reduce the already low risk of becoming a statistic. Bit that's skating dangerously close to "victim blaming." There are police tactics I don't care for, particularly wrt seeking out arrests where it isn't necessary, but that doesn't get talked about either. That's more an issue of pressures placed on officers to make arrests than with [most of] the officers themselves. It's also fueled by budgetary concerns, so no politician will touch it. People aren't interested in putting forth the effort required to really understand the issues and come up with solutions. It's easier to rage about things they don't understand and feel good about themselves for it. I would agree with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 11 hours ago, Bakin said: The cop kept him face down to avoid being poisoned by Floyd’s fentanyl overdose. autopsy showed no injuries to Floyd neck or throat. FakeNews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 For your amusement. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 What Happens When the Cops Have Had Enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Shootout in Minneapolis last night. Shootout in Atlanta last night. https://mobile.twitter.com/BarnBurnerBaby/status/1274174093731016704 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Tux of Borg said: Shootout in Minneapolis last night. Shootout in Atlanta last night. https://mobile.twitter.com/BarnBurnerBaby/status/1274174093731016704 This is great news. I hope the police weren't involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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