Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Sure everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but how is exercising your freedom to protest in a fairly respectful way(people kneel before coaches, Kings/Queens, and God) during the national anthem offensive? Those with the issue are likely not saying it's offensive. They feel it's disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Those with the issue are likely not saying it's offensive. They feel it's disrespectful. okay then 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Sure everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but how is exercising your freedom to protest in a fairly respectful way(people kneel before coaches, Kings/Queens, and God) during the national anthem offensive disrespectful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: okay then Because there is something to be said for tradition and respect. Many feel there is a time place to offer up your protest/disagreement and to do that during a time of respectfulness to them is inappropriate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Sure everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but how is exercising your freedom to protest in a fairly respectful way(people kneel before coaches, Kings/Queens, and God) during the national anthem offensive? I imagine if one were to kneel, then declare that , say “ I am kneeling to honor my great grandfather who was killed in WWII “ or something like that it would be met with a different response. Of course, some might be angry about that. Or if the kneeler were silent, and said nothing about why they were kneeling. When one declares a message that is “ I choose not to Honor America , because..” then it will be met with a different response. Some may agree with the message and others will not. By divulging the message, that’s what it becomes. He’s entitled to his opinion, but by letting people know why, he’s kind of opening things up for some to agree and others to not. Who cares at this point ? No one was really doing the kneeling thing anymore regardless. It had mostly run its course, and even the media got bored with it. It’s a giant pissing match at an event that is supposed to be about entertainment. I’m.not even sure why Brees brought it up again, really. I don’t think it was really a topic anymore. ” Just now, Chef Jim said: Because there is something to be said for tradition and respect. Many feel there is a time place to offer up your protest/disagreement and to do that during a time of respectfulness to them is inappropriate. And that doesn’t cover looting, killing cops, arson etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Those with the issue are likely not saying it's offensive. They feel it's disrespectful. It’s kinda the point no? funny, I will always remember the summer this started , and I was , and still am, a Kap, and the kneeling , supporter. Bills opened at Baltimore that year, and when it came time for anthem African American man in front of me sat through it. I instinctively went to say “ sir , please stand up” and then remembered the reason for his sitting. it was different in person. once anthem was over told him I was a Kap supporter, and felt weird when he sat. We talked , and as he said, that was the whole point. To make sure we remembered what the kneeling was for. We had a nice chat , and busted each other unmercifully through the game. Just something I will always remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, Chef Jim said: Because there is something to be said for tradition and respect. Many feel there is a time place to offer up your protest/disagreement and to do that during a time of respectfulness to them is inappropriate. yes tradition lets get back to the old Pledge of Allegiance. 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Many feel there is a time place to offer up your protest/disagreement and when exactly is that? when it won't bother you? When it doesn't inconvenience you or make you think of something you don't want to? Point is the moment is to honor people who fought and died for our freedoms, they're taking a knee to express their feeling/opinion that people aren't being given that freedom equally or having some of their freedoms suppressed. I don't see how that's disrespectful at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: yes tradition lets get back to the old Pledge of Allegiance. and when exactly is that? when it won't bother you? When it doesn't inconvenience you or make you think of something you don't want to? Point is the moment is to honor people who fought and died for our freedoms, they're taking a knee to express their feeling/opinion that people aren't being given that freedom equally or having some of their freedoms suppressed. I don't see how that's disrespectful at all. You must agree with the message. Some don’t . Why would that offend you. The entire premise is circular and pointless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I will become more sympathetic to the whole kneeling thing when these guys start speaking up about black on black violence. Until then, I just think they are hypocrites. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Warcodered said: yes tradition lets get back to the old Pledge of Allegiance. and when exactly is that? when it won't bother you? When it doesn't inconvenience you or make you think of something you don't want to? Point is the moment is to honor people who fought and died for our freedoms, they're taking a knee to express their feeling/opinion that people aren't being given that freedom equally or having some of their freedoms suppressed. I don't see how that's disrespectful at all. This was very likely for before WWII. That didn't mean anything until the Nazis did it. The swastika is a centuries old symbol. Had no evil meaning until Hitler. In fact the mosaics in the Ellicott Square Biilding have them. It was built in the 1890s. Plus I can post a picture of Slick, Hilabeast and Webb Hubbels's daughter doing that from the stage at the DNC convention. Edited June 4, 2020 by Wacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I find it disgusting that players would kneel during the anthem but I also realize they have the right to do that if their employer allows them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Warcodered said: yes tradition lets get back to the old Pledge of Allegiance. and when exactly is that? when it won't bother you? When it doesn't inconvenience you or make you think of something you don't want to? Point is the moment is to honor people who fought and died for our freedoms, they're taking a knee to express their feeling/opinion that people aren't being given that freedom equally or having some of their freedoms suppressed. I don't see how that's disrespectful at all. I don't give a ***** what some adult making millions does playing a game. Have at Kap. What I do have an issue with is kneeling accomplishes nothing. That's right nothing. Don't give me that "it brings awareness to the problem" crapola. Awareness does nothing other than make those trying to get the awareness out feel good. You know things like all the pink for "Breast Cancer Awareness". Thank god for that! Up until that I had no idea breast cancer existed. Are we any closer to a cure? How about the bucket challenge for ALS. How about Michelle Obama and the #bringbackourgirls What did that accomplish? Aware, awoke, ahole. It's all just a big LOOK AT ME!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I don't give a ***** what some adult making millions does playing a game. Have at Kap. What I do have an issue with is kneeling accomplishes nothing. That's right nothing. Don't give me that "it brings awareness to the problem" crapola. Awareness does nothing other than make those trying to get the awareness out feel good. You know things like all the pink for "Breast Cancer Awareness". Thank god for that! Up until that I had no idea breast cancer existed. Are we any closer to a cure? How about the bucket challenge for ALS. How about Michelle Obama and the #bringbackourgirls What did that accomplish? Aware, awoke, ahole. It's all just a big LOOK AT ME!!! Well clearly you know best so oh wise one why don't you inform us what they should do to address this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Well clearly you know best so oh wise one why don't you inform us what they should do to address this issue. Before I can bestow my wisdom on to you let's define what the real issue is. What is Kap keeling in protest to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Before I can bestow my wisdom on to you let's define what the real issue is. What is Kap keeling in protest to? systemic violence and racism by the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: systemic violence and racism by the police. Oh ok well this is how a wise person addresses the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Warcodered said: systemic violence and racism by the police. He believes the problem is far more severe and common than it actually is because he is biased against the police. Police already receive a lot of training in this area. If he’s not satisfied until no instances of excessive force etc occur, then he’ll be waiting his entire life and it still won’t happen. There are going to be some bad cops. This isn’t a systemic ( very overused buzzword that implies mass racism as accepted fact) problem, but rather a human one. Cops are human, and there will be some bad actors. This isn’t the 1950’s or 60’s. That’s a media driven creation. It’s like saying America has a systemic murder problem, or a systemic mass shooting problem. There isn’t a complete cure. It’s a movement to get soft on criminals and crime in general. Edited June 4, 2020 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Oh ok well this is how a wise person addresses the issue. You forgot about voter suppression because black people aren't allowed to have IDs. Just now, Boatdrinks said: He believes the problem is far more severe and common than it actually is because he is biased against the police. Police already receive a lot of training in this area. If he’s not satisfied until no instances of excessive force etc occur, then he’ll be waiting his entire life and it still won’t happen. There are going to be some bad cops. This isn’t a systemic ( very overused buzzword that implies mass racism as accepted fact) problem, but rather a human one. Cops are human, and there will be some bad actors. This isn’t the 1950’s or 60’s. That’s a media driven creation. He...probably at the instruction of his girlfriend......is a commie. No amount of change short of a proletariat revolution will ever satisfy him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: You forgot about voter suppression because black people aren't allowed to have IDs. Oh yeah. Sorry my white privilege got in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Oh ok well this is how a wise person addresses the issue. So vote for politicians who will make the changes to the system, I pretty much agree with that. So now how do you best both get them elected and make it a major issue for them to work on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: So vote for politicians who will make the changes to the system, I pretty much agree with that. So now how do you best both get them elected and make it a major issue for them to work on? Let me guess. Communize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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