Candace Owens: George Floyd is not a Martyr

[Big Blitz]

Look, I like Candace a lot.  She is important as a Trump supporter.  She's very good, very smart.

 

But this just isn't the time.  This isn't like the Mike Brown situation.  Everyone saw the arrest.  The 8 minute choke hold.  

 

At the initial heart of the Mike Brown story was a media narrative that this innocent black guy was gunned down.  We got the hands up visuals and eventually the Kapernick protests and how he went about it.  

 

This is different.  As conservatives I think we're much better off saying the following:

 

"You may very well think Trump is the problem and thats fine.  But he had as much to do with Floyd as Obama did with Mike Brown.  Maybe instead of cynically mocking Trump when he meets with Kanye, promotes African Americans all thru his administration, passes legislation to help African Americans by increasing funding for Black Colleges, record low black unemployment, and getting Crime Reform done.....maybe if you weren't so busy letting the mob on social media and the morons on cable news convince you he's a racist, you'd see he has actually got things done that have made things better for Blacks.......meanwhile, your disingenuous disaster candidate is telling you "you ain't black" if you don't vote for him, and has a voting record every African American should look at again, and then ask "what exactly did he do while Veep?"

 

A lot of conservatives have to do a better job of making the right initial responses and do so quickly to events bc of social media and instant reaction----yes its possible we don't have all the facts to a story.  But if something is clear and obvious the worse you did was show you clearly care.  

Edited June 4, 2020 by Big Blitz

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Agree back at ya. I told my wife in a discussion 2 months ago when all the Blue state Governors started releasing inmates that phase 2 of the plan is unrest because of the Virus. They needed to stretch this out to win in November. One thing changed. A man was killed and they have a new crisis. Before anyone beats me up over this. The cops need to do time and will probably not live to see freedom again.

 

 

...damn right....ALL of.the cops involved have now been charged with the main perp having charges upgraded......and look at the tendencies of the Blue States......sanctuary cities, defying ICE, funding illegal immigrants, homeless explosion, defecating in the streets or business being acceptable, larceny under $945 is ok et al.....think the wheels of the ONCE great country are coming off?......

[Reality Check]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...so if we're white, we are guilty of the whole mess, before, now and tomorrow I guess......exactly how are we "privileged"?....I came from a struggling WHITE background and my parents struggled to make ends meet with NO government help......and as far as the purported "Black Lives Matter", why is their focus solely on whites being the impediment?.....if "Black Lives Matter", why no effort to stop the heinous black on black murders?.....how do THOSE black lives NOT matter?.....guess I missed the memo....SMH............

I agree completely. I was being sarcastic to the guy who has gone over the falls in a barrel one too many times. He seems mad today, especially at black women.

[Beast]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Look, I like Candace a lot.  She is important as a Trump supporter.  She's very good, very smart.

 

But this just isn't the time.  This isn't like the Mike Brown situation.  Everyone saw the arrest.  The 8 minute choke hold.  

 

At the initial heart of the Mike Brown story was a media narrative that this innocent black guy was gunned down.  We got the hands up visuals and eventually the Kapernick protests and how he went about it.  

 

This is different.  As conservatives I think we're much better off saying the following:

 

"You may very well think Trump is the problem and thats fine.  But he had as much to do with Floyd as Obama did with Mike Brown.  Maybe instead of cynically mocking Trump when he meets with Kanye, promotes African Americans all thru his administration, passes legislation to help African Americans by increasing funding for Black Colleges, record low black unemployment, and getting Crime Reform done.....maybe if you weren't so busy letting the mob on social media and the morons on cable news convince you he's a racist, you'd see he has actually got things done that have made things better for Blacks.......meanwhile, your disingenuous disaster candidate is telling you "you ain't black" if you don't vote for him, and has a voting record every African American should look at again, and then ask "what exactly did he do while Veep?"

 

A lot of conservatives have to do a better job of making the right initial responses and do so quickly to events bc of social media and instant reaction----yes its possible we don't have all the facts to a story.  But if something is clear and obvious the worse you did was show you clearly care.  

 

So, you are asking people to be phoney in times like this?

 

The time of caring about hurting people's feelings over false narrative's should be over.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Beast

[Reality Check]

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

So, you are asking people to be phoney in times like this?

 

The time of caring about hurting people's feelings over false narrative's should be over.

Amen to that. This PC garbage is why no-one can handle someone else's straight opinion anymore.

[Joe Miner]

29 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Candace, will you marry me?

 

You and all the rest of the people here keep away from her.

 

I saw her first.  ?

[Numark3]

Look, she didn’t say anything wrong.  But this isn’t the discussion point at all.  
 

it’s basically disagreeing with the very few who are painting him as a good person.  But that equally misses the point.

 

[Big Blitz]

30 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

So, you are asking people to be phoney in times like this?

 

The time of caring about hurting people's feelings over false narrative's should be over.

 

 

No not at all.  And the phonies to me are the virtue signaling largely white guilt lib snobs that want to tell you you're racist bc you didn't change your profile pic to a black circle.  

 

I don't see how a discussion about Floyd the person right now is helpful.  That's all.  And she isn't wrong.  

 

No one is looking at this saying "he was wrongfully targeted or arrested."  I'm not seeing it as the media have held him up as a martyr because he was a perfect person wrongfully killed by law enforcement.  That is definitely not the story here.

 

He just shouldn't be dead.

 

Now the disconnect between the protesters and anyone like Candace happens ideologically left vs right.  The Left has convinced a lot of these folks thru our public schools and in media, slowly over time, that the Country is fundamentally flawed and needs "change."  "Change" has rightly triggered conservatives since Obama used it.  Conservatives knew Obama and the people behind him wanted to remake society and how our government works.  "You didn't build that!"  That was a foreign and outlandish thing to a lot of Americans.  But a lot were nodding along saying, "yep."

 

If you're Black and you sense resistance talk of "change," most likely the resistance you're getting is because that is code for Socialism.  It has nothing to do with skin color.  You may very well mean "I just don't want an employer or school or law enforcement to treat me any different."  Yes we obviously all agree.  Most people would say let's stick with that please.   

 

But within your midst are people both Black and white that when they say "change" they mean the country is awful, the Founders were racists and should be scrubbed from the history books, the Constitution is trash....time for Socialism. 

[Warcodered]

this person on YouTube had a pretty good response:

 

 Sean Curry 

In the beginning of the video, she states that black people cater to the bottom denominator when choosing who to be a martyr. She claims repeatedly that they are making George to be a good guy, however, this isn't the argument people are making at all. Whether or not he is is irrelevant to the argument from people who support him. She isn't showing the other side of the argument, she is showing a completely different argument. Diverting attention to a new argument that isn't the topic of discussion is called red herring and it is a fallacy that she is making as confirmation bias to not support BLM. The argument for black lives matter is not whether or not he, or other martyrs for the cause are good people. Although the majority of them actually were good men and women with no record, discrediting him is discrediting them. They refuse to, and do not get to pick and choose which unarmed black civilian was or was not unjustly killed because if they did, they would also be guilty of red herring. It's not about who he is. It doesn't matter if he was a criminal because the thing that is being argued on behalf of George specifically is the fact that he 1. Was an unarmed black man 2. Was killed in the street when it could have very easily been avoided 3. He is a victim of systemic racism. This is what he had in common with every single black person that is being fought for. What else is MAINLY being argued by BLM activists is systemic racism which is very real and explained pretty well in this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ. In terms of police, they are not attacking the individual, they are arguing that the infrastructure for an accountability system for police is broken due to 99% of police killings having no charges for the officer, that the vetting process is broken, that they are overfunded and have access to too much military force. BLM does not only support criminals, and they historically have not only supported black people. When cops shot and killed a white man who was begging for his life in Mesa Arizona, BLM rallied on his behalf. You can't pick and choose who is and isn't a victim in terms of unarmed people being targeted and killed based on background. She says that black people represent a disproportionate amount of criminals, and in so is implying that black people are inherently more violent than white people. She is not speaking about systemic oppression which created this scenario, because black people are NOT more violent just because they are black, and what about that police are more heavily funded in majority black communities which were geographic locations of redlining in the first place? Doesn't this affect how likely you are to encounter police? In her argument about "assuming all doctors are horrible based on one bad doctor", once again, the argument is on the system of the job, not on the personal qualities of police officers. It is NOT about making him a hero, it is about him being an example of the thing that has been fought by black activists before we were all even born.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Reality Check said:

You are that because you set yourself up as judge and jury. You are proof that the white man just can't stop himself from doing Satan's work. What would your parents think?

 

Society is going to have to decide whether it wants to continue to be organized under concepts of natural law with the individual as the sovereign unit, or under concepts of group polity with the tribe as the sovereign unit. The United States Constitution was intended to delay us having to make that choice for as long as possible, but realistically that time appears to be waning.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Look, I like Candace a lot.  She is important as a Trump supporter.  She's very good, very smart.

 

But this just isn't the time.  This isn't like the Mike Brown situation.  Everyone saw the arrest.  The 8 minute choke hold.   

 

It's exactly the time. Ask the rioter/protester on the street why they are out looting/marching, they will say for justice. What is justice, you may ask? It varies from the one officer needs to be in jail for life, to all 4 cops need to be in jail for life, to all 4 cops need to be put to death, to all cops everywhere need to be put to death. I have not heard a single correct answer which is: they should stand trial. Which is happening. Which means your riot/protest is superfluous, except for the looting stuff.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Ralonzo

[fansince88]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...damn right....ALL of.the cops involved have now been charged with the main perp having charges upgraded......and look at the tendencies of the Blue States......sanctuary cities, defying ICE, funding illegal immigrants, homeless explosion, defecating in the streets or business being acceptable, larceny under $945 is ok et al.....think the wheels of the ONCE great country are coming off?......

And here in the great state of NY you can vandalize, get arrested, and be out the same night to do it again, WITHOUT BAIL!!!!

[Reality Check]

3 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Society is going to have to decide whether it wants to continue to be organized under concepts of natural law with the individual as the sovereign unit, or under concepts of group polity with the tribe as the sovereign unit. The United States Constitution was intended to delay us having to make that choice for as long as possible, but realistically that time appears to be waning.

In a way we are in a state of perpetual revolution. Constantly changing while ironically staying the same. I believe natural law will prevail. Who knows? I know that I don't. That is what makes America so much fun.

1 hour ago, fansince88 said:

And here in the great state of NY you can vandalize, get arrested, and be out the same night to do it again, WITHOUT BAIL!!!!

What sucks now is all the best TVs have been taken already.

[BillStime]

What, Candace?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Did Candace say that?

 

[Melon]

32 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

#FakeNews

[Orlando Tim]

50 minutes ago, Melon said:

 

#FakeNews

Which part is fake? I saw on CNN he was banning flights and he certainly called it xenophobic when Trump did it 

[Chef Jim]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Which part is fake? I saw on CNN he was banning flights and he certainly called it xenophobic when Trump did it 

 

Well I don't think he ever called him a racist.  

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well I don't think he ever called him a racist.  

https://apnews.com/article/politics-323bba8b134eaedd188cf73122036a93

 

They might be a couple things put together but Biden said Xenophobic about the flights and called him racist many times.