Matt Judon: Interesting Development in Negotiations

[DrDawkinstein]

Not sure this has ever been done before...

 

 

[MJS]

That should be the new standard. If you play both positions you should take the average of both.

[DJB]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

That should be the new standard. If you play both positions you should take the average of both.

 

Agreed or even calculate  the % of snaps played at each position and weigh that  into how much $$$ they  should receive  

[RoyBatty is alive]

Always a big debate about if a large prolific receiver is a WR or really a TE.

[Mr. WEO]

Didn't this happen with Jimmy Graham years ago?

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Always a big debate about if a large prolific receiver is a WR or really a TE.

 

I'd say it depends on where the player spent the majority of his time.  On the line with his hand on the ground?  DE.  Next to a tackle?  A TE.

[Clutchwarfare]

If Clowney did this with the Texans, maybe he wouldn't be without a team right now.

But he held out, got traded, had an underwhelming season, and is now looking for a pay day, with little leverage.

There is long-term value gained in short-term compromise.

[SirAndrew]

Wonder if he wanted extra money for being a dirty player. 

[DrDawkinstein]

13 minutes ago, MJS said:

That should be the new standard. If you play both positions you should take the average of both.

 

It's not surprising to see out of arguably the best managed team in the NFL, and proves why Eric DeCosta earned the "Executive of the Year" award in his first year as GM.

 

Players willing to compromise as well in order to stay with the team.

 

Luckily, Beane doesnt seem too far behind and on the same track.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Clutchwarfare said:

If Clowney did this with the Texans, maybe he wouldn't be without a team right now.

But he held out, got traded, had an underwhelming season, and is now looking for a pay day, with little leverage.

There is long-term value gained in short-term compromise.

 

I dont blame any player for trying to milk the maximum out of teams that are run like the Texans.

 

Different story in Baltimore.

 

There is a bigger difference here in GMs than with the players involved.

Edited May 29, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Clutchwarfare said:

If Clowney did this with the Texans, maybe he wouldn't be without a team right now.

But he held out, got traded, had an underwhelming season, and is now looking for a pay day, with little leverage.

There is long-term value gained in short-term compromise.

 

I don't think anyone even wants to pay him $15.8M a year.

 

And the difference between DE and LB is just $2M. 

[SirAndrew]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Always a big debate about if a large prolific receiver is a WR or really a TE.

I don’t think the terminology matters much, but any TE putting up stats equal to a number one or two WR should be paid as such. 

[Clutchwarfare]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I dont blame any player for trying to milk the maximum out of teams that are run like the Texans.

Respectfully asking serious question: If it's a key player on a team that is expected to compete for playoffs, holds out of camp/regular season games so he can "milk the maximum out of the team", knowing his teammates are counting on him, do you blame them for not compromising on a reasonable number in that case?

[bigK14094]

with the potential of no fans at games this year and the $5Billion loss of revenue for the league, I wonder about the cap situation going forward.  One year deals are going to abound, with the  cap , perhaps, going down next year.  If it can go up, it can  go down.  If you got signed , you were smart or lucky (Poyer Spain come to mind)  TV bucks for the NFL are big, but , $5 Billion + is a big hole in the revenue stream.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Clutchwarfare said:

Respectfully asking serious question: If it's a key player on a team that is expected to compete for playoffs, holds out of camp/regular season games so he can "milk the maximum out of the team", knowing his teammates are counting on him, do you blame them for not compromising on a reasonable number in that case?

 

IMO, it really depends on the team and the FOs history on how it treats players. But in general, I dont have a problem with players trying to get the most money possible. They're the ones risking their long term health in a very short window to get paid.

 

I also don't think "teammates counting on him" comes into it much. The players know its a business.

 

Given how BOB acts as GM and HC, I have no problem with players doing whatever they can to max their money there (or force a trade). And it didnt really seem like the Texans needed Clowney to make the playoffs anyways.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Clutchwarfare]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

IMO, it really depends on the team and the FOs history on how it treats players. But in general, I dont have a problem with players trying to get the most money possible. They're the ones risking their long term health in a very short window to get paid.

 

I also don't think "teammates counting on him" comes into it much. The players know its a business.

 

Given how BOB acts as GM and HC, I have no problem with players doing whatever they can to max their money there (or force a trade). And it didnt really seem like the Texans needed Clowney to make the playoffs anyways.

 

 

Fair enough. One thing I'm sure we agree on: GO BILLS

[Mike in Horseheads]

23 minutes ago, Clutchwarfare said:

If Clowney did this with the Texans, maybe he wouldn't be without a team right now.

But he held out, got traded, had an underwhelming season, and is now looking for a pay day, with little leverage.

There is long-term value gained in short-term compromise.

With any other team your pry correct, with the Texans they are shitshow with BOB

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Clutchwarfare said:

Fair enough. One thing I'm sure we agree on: GO BILLS

 

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

With any other team your pry correct, with the Texans they are shitshow with BOB

 

Exactly, Mike. On the flip side, I was pretty confident Leveon Bell was making a mistake with his holdout in Pittsburgh. As a RB and dealing with the Steelers, it seemed he was already getting the best offer possible. And sure enough, a year later, he took less money to end up with a crappy organization.

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Exactly, Mike. On the flip side, I was pretty confident Leveon Bell was making a mistake with his holdout in Pittsburgh. As a RB and dealing with the Steelers, it seemed he was already getting the best offer possible. And sure enough, a year later, he took less money to end up with a crappy organization.

Bell and Antonio Brown thought they could double up on management and lost.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Bell and Antonio Brown thought they could double up on management and lost.

 

The Rooneys know a thing or two.

 

Compare that with Tunsil taking BOB to the woodshed while acting as his own agent! ?

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Ya Digg?]

44 minutes ago, Clutchwarfare said:

Respectfully asking serious question: If it's a key player on a team that is expected to compete for playoffs, holds out of camp/regular season games so he can "milk the maximum out of the team", knowing his teammates are counting on him, do you blame them for not compromising on a reasonable number in that case?

I have heard players in the past and former players say it all the time - they never hold it against their teammates when they hold out for more money.  They all know it's a business and they are all trying to maximize the amount of money they can make in a short window of time.  As fans we all get offended when a player holds out, but the players all understand the reasons why someone would hold out.