Mr. WEO Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True....but I wouldn't bet the rent money that it's the major factor in it taking a long time to recover. Plenty stories from young people without asthma who found their bout with covid-19 prolonged debilitating, and "full recovery" for a top elite athlete is surely a different matter than "full recovery" for Sally or Sammy Store Shopper. Yes, but mainly that difference is financial. Once the season starts and elite NFL athlete doesn't feel up to playing, he gets his millions to stay home and stay safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: True dat. But players may have homies or family members that fit the same profile as coaches. And as discussed, I think focus on death may miss the point - even a mild disease can apparently knock a healthy Von Miller on his butt for 3+ weeks. I'm not sure how they'll do it, and maybe I'm a naive extremist, but I'm assuming their solution is going to have to involve some aspect of "deployment" that limits teams' contact with the outside world to lessen the likelihood of the NFL season being derailed from outside exposure and also lessen any liability from internal exposure. While players and coaches are not likely to appreciate it, I would assume it's probably going to involve limited contact with friends and family. I suspect ultimately it will come down to players and coaches accepting the terms of the modifications and individual risks, or having some other option for individuals to opt out of the season. As far as the time missed, they're going to have to approach it like an injury. 3+ weeks for a high ankle sprain or a covid infection. It will just be a question of who a player takes with him to the injury report. It will be interesting to see what the "solution" is. I suspect it will leave an asterisk in the record books if the season goes forward, kind of like a strike shortened season. If someone tests positive, depending on how they address proximity in locker rooms, wouldn't you have to quarantine a whole team for some length of time? What happens then? Reschedule a game? Forfeit? In my mind, all of this has a high likelihood of being a giant experimental exhibition season, which will be "all fun and games until someone loses an eye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: lol. the point is that these guys have already fully accepted a higher risk of permanent injury, physically and mentally. Therefore it is ironic that they or their employer would be expending so much energy and concern that they might catch a virus that nearly all of them would be asymptomatic from. Optics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Based upon the high risk that football poses due to proximity to others and the number of coaches and players on a team, only a vaccine is going to be the option for the NFL. All of these adaptations won't fully mitigate the very real concerns, and all it will take is one coach or player (or family member of either or both!) to fall due to COVID-19 and the whole season shuts down. I honestly don't know how the NFL Players Association leadership signs off on this... but if they do, buckle up for justifiable lawsuits if it goes south. The NFL isn't the XFL... they have the luxury of going slowly here. Edited May 22, 2020 by EasternOHBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not sure that's true, but that's just based on thinking about it. My guess is that whoever is trialing this, isn't planning on blockage, just on reduction. It's possible that something that fit in around the jawline and extended around to in front of the ears and up as high as the cheekbones could help, especially in conjunction with the helmet eye shields some of the players already wear. The whole thing just seems farfetched to me, given the intrinsic violence of football. I was thinking more outside the box. It just doesn't seem reasonable for players to wear a typical mask right up against their faces while exerting the effort it takes to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Based upon the high risk that football poses due to proximity to others and the number of coaches and players on a team, only a vaccine is going to be the option for the NFL. All of these adaptations won't fully mitigate the very real concerns, and all it will take is one coach or player (or family member of either or both!) to fall due to COVID-19 and the whole season shuts down. I honestly don't know how the NFL Players Association leadership signs off on this... but if they do, buckle up for justifiable lawsuits if it goes south. The NFL isn't the XFL... they have the luxury of going slowly here. There won't be a vaccine soon enough, so clearly they aren't waiting. Players willingly accepting risk where the risk is obvious and all reasonable measures are openly being made to mitigate the risks will preclude most lawsuits I would think. They want their players to get paid. NFLPA has been fine with steroids, HGH, etc.....pretty much any new PED testing has at one time or another been resisted by the union. While railing against the league's handling of CTE, the players resist meaning changes such as helmet redesign. They turn a blind eye to dirty hits that never cease and routinely appeal fines and suspensions for their cheap shots. They make a lot of noise about player safety when they feel it's in their best interest, but mainly the union's goal is to allow their members to do what they want to maximize their earnings. Standard stuff. The only players who have clearly demonstrated their true concerns with the safety of the game are those who have walked away from it. Edited May 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Some materials such as polypropylene collect electrons and become negatively charged which may repel the surface of the negatively charged coronavirus IMO. Polypropelene fabric is also water repellent. Its possible a more breathable protection/ solution can be found for athletes IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Any person involved in a high end aerobic exercise like a professional athlete does will not be able to intake required air/oxygen and exhale with a fitted mask without it diminishing performance dramatically. If you don’t believe me put on a basic dust mast snuggly and run forty to sixty yards at full gas a couple of times. The best they might hope for is to keep the spit and spray down to a dull roar by lining the inside of the cage, but that could restrict visibility when an athlete is looking downward without tipping their head. Should be entertaining to see the athletes response to such a devise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Irv said: Actually closer to what it would need to be...rather than a cloth mask....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Any person involved in a high end aerobic exercise like a professional athlete does will not be able to intake required air/oxygen and exhale with a fitted mask without it diminishing performance dramatically. If you don’t believe me put on a basic dust mast snuggly and run forty to sixty yards at full gas a couple of times. The best they might hope for is to keep the spit and spray down to a dull roar by lining the inside of the cage, but that could restrict visibility when an athlete is looking downward without tipping their head. Should be entertaining to see the athletes response to such a devise. Once again, they are NOT talking about a fitted mask. 5 hours ago, Irv said: As crazy as this sounds, this is actually closer to what they are talking about than a fitted mask. Special cloth spread over the existing face mask, creating a shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, The Dean said: Once again, they are NOT talking about a fitted mask. As crazy as this sounds, this is actually closer to what they are talking about than a fitted mask. Special cloth spread over the existing face mask, creating a shield. Yes I agree, ? I stated the very thing in my post about fitting something to the cage to catch spit etc. and no I did not read every post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Irv said: Player acceptance of this device should be high, especially among players who'd like to project that Bad Ass image. I can see linemen (both sides of the ball), linebackers, and running backs in particular wanting this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Irv said: I posted a Vader helmet pages back but on my mobile I can’t see it. not the same one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Baklavas would be an easy fix. Edited May 23, 2020 by Paulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 2:12 PM, keepthefaith said: Dumb. Test the players a couple times per week. Problem is by the time you get a positive they've already spread the disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Baklavas would be an easy fix. Eh. Seems messy. Yiayia would not approve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Eh. Seems messy. Yiayia would not approve. balaclava* I did include a pic. F****** stupid food. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 10:07 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I posted a Vader helmet pages back but on my mobile I can’t see it. not the same one. Hey, I met that guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 10:35 AM, transient said: I'm not sure how they'll do it, and maybe I'm a naive extremist, but I'm assuming their solution is going to have to involve some aspect of "deployment" that limits teams' contact with the outside world to lessen the likelihood of the NFL season being derailed from outside exposure and also lessen any liability from internal exposure. While players and coaches are not likely to appreciate it, I would assume it's probably going to involve limited contact with friends and family. I suspect ultimately it will come down to players and coaches accepting the terms of the modifications and individual risks, or having some other option for individuals to opt out of the season. As far as the time missed, they're going to have to approach it like an injury. 3+ weeks for a high ankle sprain or a covid infection. It will just be a question of who a player takes with him to the injury report. It will be interesting to see what the "solution" is. I suspect it will leave an asterisk in the record books if the season goes forward, kind of like a strike shortened season. If someone tests positive, depending on how they address proximity in locker rooms, wouldn't you have to quarantine a whole team for some length of time? What happens then? Reschedule a game? Forfeit? In my mind, all of this has a high likelihood of being a giant experimental exhibition season, which will be "all fun and games until someone loses an eye." I would think they would be tested daily. By August there should be quick test. If guy is positive he is quarantined until he is tested negative. It seems that Korean baseball is working. I think NFL will make it work with mask protection and testing process. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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