SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: Call me what you like, but you are a pathological liar. Fake news. I speak the truth. And you know it, which is why you have resorted to name calling. Not classy on your end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Fake news. I speak the truth. And you know it, which is why you have resorted to name calling. Not classy on your end. You just can't stop lying. You are going to provide some amazing entertainment over the next 6 months. You do you, as disgusting as that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: You just can't stop lying. You are going to provide some amazing entertainment over the next 6 months. You do you, as disgusting as that may be. Still can’t refute my point. I’ll be here all day if you get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Fake news. But what appears to be non-fake news is that you believe that any time a woman pregnant in her first trimester has a beer or sneaks a cigarette she should be charged with a misdemeanor. Immaterial. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. In 2016, 623,471 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 48 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2016 was 11.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 live births. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/index.htm Where do you get your stats from gun deaths...so I can follow you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Whatnot78 said: In 2016, 623,471 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 48 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2016 was 11.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 186 abortions per 1,000 live births. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/index.htm Where do you get your stats from gun deaths...so I can follow you on this. Define “person.” I’ll make it easy for you. In approximately zero of the 623,471 cases you mentioned was a “person” killed. You might believe that a fetus is a person. And you’re entitled to that view. (For what it’s worth, it’s one that I happen to share.) But the law doesn’t see it that way, and we are a nation of laws. The fetus becomes a “person” the moment the fetus is born alive. Ergo, guns kill more “people” than do abortions. Case closed. Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Define “person.” What? I'm asking where you get your stats from, not some philosophical debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Whatnot78 said: What? I'm asking where you get your stats from, not some philosophical debate. See above. You assume that abortion terminates a “person.” Under the eyes of the law, it does not. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: See above. You assume that abortion terminates a “person.” Under the eyes of the law, it does not. The fact remains that guns kill more people than do abortions. I'm not assuming anything. I'm providing stats from the CDC. So again, where are you getting your stats from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Whatnot78 said: I'm not assuming anything. I'm providing stats from the CDC. So again, where are you getting your stats from. We can agree that there are a significant number of homicides arising from gun violence in this country, correct? To the extent we agree on that point, the data that you seek is irrelevant. Abortions do not kill people. Gun violence kills people. Case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: 1. We can agree that there are a significant number of homicides arising from gun violence in this country, correct? To the extent we agree on that point, 2. the data that you seek is irrelevant. 3. Abortions do not kill people. 4. Gun violence kills people. 5. Case closed. I've broken out my answers above by number... 1. Agree 2. Disagree...can you provide statistics? 3. Disagree...I'm assuming this is your "define person" argument 4. Agree 5. Only because you refuse to answer my question for #2 My case is closed...clearly you cannot provide any stats or just plain refuse to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Whatnot78 said: I've broken out my answers above by number... 1. Agree 2. Disagree...can you provide statistics? 3. Disagree...I'm assuming this is your "define person" argument 4. Agree 5. Only because you refuse to answer my question for #2 My case is closed...clearly you cannot provide any stats or just plain refuse to. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. *** And, by way of example in New York State: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.05,d Edited May 12, 2020 by SectionC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. Thank you for providing the stats. It clearly shows that gun violence kills people. IMO it is no where near abortions. Agree to disagree on that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 What happened to the recipes? So much intellectual dishonesty from #Cult45 - taking a Tibs thread seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Define “person.” I’ll make it easy for you. In approximately zero of the 623,471 cases you mentioned was a “person” killed. You might believe that a fetus is a person. And you’re entitled to that view. (For what it’s worth, it’s one that I happen to share.) But the law doesn’t see it that way, and we are a nation of laws. The fetus becomes a “person” the moment the fetus is born alive. Ergo, guns kill more “people” than do abortions. Case closed. What about the viability of a fetus? Abortions generally can't be performed, per Roe vs. Wade in the third trimester (there are exceptions). That 24-28 week standard is almost 50 years old. Viability is actually sooner than that, based upon today's medicine. So, yes, you want to play the "person" game, but actually a person can easily be considered, by law, as a fetus in the third trimester. Looking at it that way, there are thousands of late-term abortions each year in the United States. Still fewer than total gun deaths, but maybe as many as homicides. I tend to stay away from abortion discussions, so I won't be responding to any of your replies on this, just so you know. Edit: 2017 late term abortions were approximately 11,000 in 2017 https://s27589.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/CLI-Fact-Sheet-Late-Term-Abortion-February-24-2020.pdf 2017 gun homicides in 2017 were approximately 11,000 https://www.statista.com/statistics/249803/number-of-homicides-by-firearm-in-the-united-states/ You may not be as right as you think you are. Edited May 12, 2020 by snafu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Nanker said: WTH. How did this thread get so off track? Tail to snout baby! Tail to snout! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Who said anything about guilt? ... congratulations. you made the, 'you're an idiot' list. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Nanker said: WTH. How did this thread get so off track? Mmmmm...Bacon!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 hours ago, SectionC3 said: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls And there we go. Gun violence has killed people. Abortion does not kill a person. Case closed. *** And, by way of example in New York State: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.05,d Earlier in this thread you kept saying guns kill more people. Did you just have an epiphany and now it's gun violence kills more people? Governor Northam confessed on tape that he would follow the mother's wishes if a planned abortion baby was actually born alive and kill it if she wanted that done. By your definition, he is a murderer. A black-faced murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Earlier in this thread you kept saying guns kill more people. Did you just have an epiphany and now it's gun violence kills more people? Governor Northam confessed on tape that he would follow the mother's wishes if a planned abortion baby was actually born alive and kill it if she wanted that done. By your definition, he is a murderer. A black-faced murderer. He's arguing that a fetus is not a person. So any number is higher than 0 I will also argue that the human brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 26... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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