Should absentee ballots be illegal?

[B-Man]

One Florida Democrat came up with a clever way to pay homage to his deceased wife during the upcoming election. When ordering a mail-in ballot for himself, he decided to request one for her as well. The request was honored and he filled them both out and mailed them in. Unfortunately for 62-year-old Larry Wiggins, the discrepancy was noticed when the ballots arrived at the office of the Supervisor of Elections. Wiggins was investigated and arrested. The excuse he offered was a novel one, however. He wasn’t trying to commit election fraud. He was just “testing the system.” (NY Post)

Florida authorities nabbed a registered Democrat after he attempted to “test the system” by requesting an absentee ballot for his late wife, officials said.

Manatee County Sheriff’s Office began investigating Larry Wiggins, 62, after the mail-in ballot was requested for his wife who had been dead for two years, the Bradenton Herald reported.

“As soon as they pulled up the file it showed that she is dead,” Manatee County Supervisor of Elections Mike Bennett said.

Bennett said his office then compared the handwriting on the ballot request with previous documentation and found it wasn’t a match.

Wiggens was charged with third-degree felony voter fraud and released on $1,500 bail.

 

 

It would be easy to write off this almost amusingly dumb scheme as little more than a case of a tone-deaf voter trying to game the system. But the response to the report from the Manatee County Supervisor of Elections was a bit over the top and serves as a reminder of the magnitude of the potential problems that may be coming our way on November 3rd. Supervisor Mike Bennett (R) was quick to crow about his office’s success in foiling Wiggins’ scheme and held it up as proof that “the system worked.”

Bennett said the case is an example of why voters should feel confident in the elections process.

“People complain that vote by mail is crooked; it’s not, we catch them, we verify it and any supervisor of elections in the state of Florida I know is just as conscious about it as I am,” he said.

I suppose congratulations are in order for Mike Bennett since his office clearly managed to catch Wiggins’ effort at gaming the system. But that means that someone was alert and doing their job when the dead wife’s ballot arrived. It might not have been a very busy office, however. (Manatee County is in a rural area and has a total population of barely 300,000.) And we’re talking about early voting here. How well will they do when a serious flood of ballots starts coming in?

 

Also worth noting is the fact that when Wiggins requested the ballot on his late wife’s behalf, they didn’t notice that she was dead, did they? No, they mailed the ballot out. That means that Mrs. Wiggins was still on the voter rolls. Bennett claims that they knew she was dead “as soon as they pulled up the file.” Which file would that be? And why didn’t they “pull it up” when Wiggins originally requested it? Note that this wasn’t a case where they were mass-mailing ballots out to everyone. Wiggins specifically requested absentee ballots for both himself and his wife.

 

 

More at the link: https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/10/05/voter-fraud-case-testing-system/

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Supreme Court restores witness signature rule for absentee ballots in South Carolina
 

The Supreme Court weighed in again Monday night on procedures for conducting mail-in voting this fall, reinstating South Carolina's requirement that absentee ballots include witness signatures.
 

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[B-Man]

 

 

Millions of 2020 Votes Will Be Stolen – How To Tell If Yours Is One

by Trent Telenko 

 

The Democratic Party’s vote-by-mail scheme (which is NOT the same as absentee ballots) and, worse, its previous and expanded “vote-harvesting” scheme, will steal millions of votes to re-elect Trump, and for Republican candidates, in the 2020 election. This is NOT counting fraudulent votes. This is stealing Republican votes by changing them to Democratic votes. Here is how they do it, and how you can determine if your vote is stolen. If this clear signal that your vote has been stolen appears, do not walk away quietly. FIGHT BACK! How to do that is also explained.

 

Absentee ballots and vote-by-mail differ in that individual voters request absentee ballots for their current address, while mail-in-ballots (or “applications” for them) are automatically sent by state voting officials to every possible voter at their last-known address, even if they are dead or have moved away. And absentee ballots must be received by Election Day, while mail-in ballots in most states allowing them can be received days or even a week after the election and, depending on the state, do not require post-marks or other evidence that they were posted by election day. Every state allows absentee ballots, while there is a wide variation on mail-in votes. Some states don’t allow them at all, some states do only for 2020 due to COVID-19, some states send “applications” for them which voters purportedly fill out and return, and some states send every possible voter a ballot to be filled out and returned.

 

Vote-harvesting lets people other than the US Postal Service deliver ballots purportedly filled out by voters to polling places, even hundreds of ballots at once. Vote-harvesting as allowed in California in 2018, and now in other states such as North Carolina, has no controls whatever against fraud by the people delivering the harvested ballots. Vote-harvesting is voter fraud pure and simple. No state allowing it is a democracy any more.

 

Mail-in ballots are so vulnerable to fraud that the United States seems to be the only country in the world which allows them. The most common way the Democrats commit fraud with mail-in votes is made possible by a rule or practice that the “first ballot processed” by election officials from a particular voter is deemed the only official one.

So if a fraudulent mail-in ballot, purportedly from a registered voter, is processed by election officials before the real voter votes in person, only the fraudulent mail-in ballot is counted.

 

Sometimes the real voter finds out about this in the polling place – “You’ve already voted so we won’t give you a ballot” – and, if the voter complains, is given a provisional ballot to fill out, only the provisional ballot is mostly ignored when the robbed voter leaves. Sometimes provisional ballots are counted too, but so is the fraudulent mail-in one, so the real voter’s ballot is at best cancelled out. Here is an example of how that works in progress from the email of a Colorado friend who alerted one of my e-mail lists to this practice.

 

“Hey, I know this. I watched polls. Let me tell you, by the way, that year – 2012 – 1/3 of the people in my precinct in Colorado Springs ran into that. Our counterparts in Denver said 2/3 did.
 
Which means that I guess dementia is rampant in Colorado. Coff. Because there’s no voter fraud, right.  That was, btw, the election in which the left eeked enough of a majority to then go full time vote by fraud. I mean mail.
 
What happened – I’ve had people tell me no, that’s not what happens, but hell I was there, and I know how it was explained – is that these people got to fill a “provisional vote”. Later, the records would be examined, and if it was shown they really hadn’t voted before those votes would be counted.
 
In other words, people are fobbed off. Even should their votes be counted – as some people insist they are – then they would count for ½ because there’s no way to retrieve votes already cast.
 
This is why I say the left has been winning by fraud for several cycles already and the only reason Trump won is that they were so sure it would be a Hillary landslide they failed to manufacture enough votes.”

 

Mail-in vote fraud occurs when the perpetrators obtain mail-in ballots, before they are sent to voters, from election officials who are part of the fraudulent vote conspiracy, or when for the same election officials simply give the perpetrators all the information needed to print their own fraudulent mail-in ballots and return envelopes, fill those out and mail them to the election postal box numbers/addresses. It is also possible for fraudsters to obtain the necessary information about voters online, but that requires far, far more work than if election officials give it to them.

 

However fraud with mail-in votes is done, it is so easy to do that no other nation seems to allow mail-in votes at all, let alone the way it is being done in America.

Note also that it is easier, and therefore more likely, for mail-in vote fraud to be targeted at all voters than just Republicans and independent voters. A lot of Democratic voters who choose to vote in person on Election Day may have polling place workers refuse to give them ballots because they have allegedly already voted by mail.

 

MORE at the link.

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[B-Man]

TRUST, BUT VERIFY: 

 

SCOTUS reinstates South Carolina witness requirement for absentee ballots.

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

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[ALF]

Ambulance arrives for Georgia voters 'passing out' in long lines: Report

 

Controversy allegedly erupted as the chance to cast ballots on Georgia’s first day of in-person early voting Monday when thousands of people waited for hours to make their voices heard.

 

Liberal activist Shaun King tweeted an image of the scene: “It’s OUTRAGEOUS. People are passing out. The ambulance just came. People are hungry and thirsty. People are leaving for work. This is voter suppression.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ambulance-arrives-for-georgia-voters-passing-out-in-long-lines

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

 

Dead man receives absentee ballot

Created: October 16, 2020 07:39 PM

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WHEC) — A man who died 10 years ago is still listed as an active voter in Monroe County- and received an absentee ballot from the Board of Elections. 

 

"My feeling was how could this happen," says Karen Noll. "How could this happen actually, an absentee ballot for somebody that's been dead for 10 years?"

 

That ballot had arrived at Karen and Jim Noll's home this past week. It was addressed to Karen's father Donald J. Gunther. Gunther had run Gunther's Food market on Saint Paul Boulevard before moving to Florida 25 years ago before dying in 2010. And yet, there was a ballot. 

 

"It really is concerning to see for someone who has been dead for 10 years and never lived here," says Jim Noll. "How did this ballot turn up?" 

 

https://www.whec.com/rochester-new-york-news/dead-man-receives-absentee-ballot/5897573/?cat=565

 

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

Dead man receives absentee ballot

Created: October 16, 2020 07:39 PM

ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WHEC) — A man who died 10 years ago is still listed as an active voter in Monroe County- and received an absentee ballot from the Board of Elections. 

 

"My feeling was how could this happen," says Karen Noll. "How could this happen actually, an absentee ballot for somebody that's been dead for 10 years?"

 

That ballot had arrived at Karen and Jim Noll's home this past week. It was addressed to Karen's father Donald J. Gunther. Gunther had run Gunther's Food market on Saint Paul Boulevard before moving to Florida 25 years ago before dying in 2010. And yet, there was a ballot. 

 

"It really is concerning to see for someone who has been dead for 10 years and never lived here," says Jim Noll. "How did this ballot turn up?" 

 

https://www.whec.com/rochester-new-york-news/dead-man-receives-absentee-ballot/5897573/?cat=565

 

 

Because somebody else named Donald J. Gunther applied for an absentee ballot and it was sent to the wrong address.     Unfortunately, the live Donald J. Gunther won't get his ballot unless the BOE is notified and sends him a new one.  Of course, the ballot could have come from out of state.  

[Just Jack]

On 10/13/2020 at 6:09 AM, ALF said:

Ambulance arrives for Georgia voters 'passing out' in long lines: Report

 

Controversy allegedly erupted as the chance to cast ballots on Georgia’s first day of in-person early voting Monday when thousands of people waited for hours to make their voices heard.

 

Liberal activist Shaun King tweeted an image of the scene: “It’s OUTRAGEOUS. People are passing out. The ambulance just came. People are hungry and thirsty. People are leaving for work. This is voter suppression.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ambulance-arrives-for-georgia-voters-passing-out-in-long-lines

 

So is the BOE supposed to start providing meals and drinks now to those in line? 

[Taro T]

On 10/13/2020 at 6:09 AM, ALF said:

Ambulance arrives for Georgia voters 'passing out' in long lines: Report

 

Controversy allegedly erupted as the chance to cast ballots on Georgia’s first day of in-person early voting Monday when thousands of people waited for hours to make their voices heard.

 

Liberal activist Shaun King tweeted an image of the scene: “It’s OUTRAGEOUS. People are passing out. The ambulance just came. People are hungry and thirsty. People are leaving for work. This is voter suppression.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ambulance-arrives-for-georgia-voters-passing-out-in-long-lines

 

Isn't the point of extended voting to allow people to come back & vote on a different day if the lines are too long?

 

Or was the 1st day voting was open going to be the only day all of these rocket scientists were going to be available to vote?

 

That people are stupid is not disenfranchising, though maybe it should be.