maryland-bills-fan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Quote DRAFT PICK # PICKED POINTS CASE1 CASE 2 CASE 3 CASE 4 CASE5 ROUND 2 54 360 YES YES YES YES YES ROUND 3 86 160 YES YES x YES x ROUND 4 118 58 x YES YES x x ROUND 5 150 31 x x YES x x #2 2021 #54? 180 x x x YES x ====================================================================================== We get: #38 #33 #45 #31 #54 Move up= 16 21 9 23 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Really little to trade, they have no ammo this year. According to the chart if the traded their 3rd and 4th would move them up about 8 spots in the 3rd, throw in their 6th gets them up about 15 slots. If they keep their 2nd and 3rd, and then trade their 4th, 5th and 6th, would get them up the very bottom of the 3rd. While I agree the Bills aren't likely to keep that many rookies, you can find value in the 4th and 5th rounds, so not sure they'd want to give up that much to move not a huge amount. The Bills had more picks in those those other years you're looking at makes a big difference. Trying to predict the future based on past performance is kind of useless in this case IMO as they don't have all the picks to work with as they did in those prior years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: the interesting thing about this draft, is who do you trade up for. If we trade-up my guess is for an OT. OT in my opinion is the best position to have a starter on a rookie deal after QB. This would let us keep Dawkins, and have a rookie OT and Josh Allen together for a long time. If not OT, perhaps a trade-up for LB Murray from Oklahoma to complete the LB corp? I'm not sure I see an edge I'd trade up for. (Chaisson appears overrated, IMO. Total lack of production on stacked LSU D, and would likely cost too much). I'd rather grab Weaver in the 2nd and trade up back into the 2nd for another impact player. RB and WR appear too deep to trade-up, unless there is someone you absolutely love above the rest (and going Weaver first allows you to trade back into the second). Hmm, trade up in the 2nd to get an OT so we can have him while re-signing Dawkins.... Sounds exactly like what they did last year. 15 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Really little to trade, they have no ammo this year. According to the chart if the traded their 3rd and 4th would move them up about 8 spots in the 3rd, throw in their 6th gets them up about 15 slots. If they keep their 2nd and 3rd, and then trade their 4th, 5th and 6th, would get them up the very bottom of the 3rd. While I agree the Bills aren't likely to keep that many rookies, you can find value in the 4th and 5th rounds, so not sure they'd want to give up that much to move not a huge amount. The Bills had more picks in those those other years you're looking at makes a big difference. Trying to predict the future based on past performance is kind of useless in this case IMO as they don't have all the picks to work with as they did in those prior years. What about the 4th, 5th, 2x6ths, and the 7th? Walk away with 3 key players like RB, Edge, and OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Here's something interesting about Beane's trades-most of the picks that were used to trade up were extra picks acquired when the Bills traded players for picks that weren't in their long term plans. Since Beane wasn't here in 2017, let's look only at the drafts he was here for: 2018: Allen trade up: Players traded to acquire the picks needed-Glenn to move up to 12, Watkins, on the final year of his contract for 2nd rounder used in trade. Beane used only 1 of the Bills own original picks(own 2nd rounder) to trade up from 21 to 7. 2018 Edmunds trade up: Beane used none of the Bills own picks to get Edmunds. The 22nd pick was acquired in the trade before he got here & the 3rd rounder was stolen from Cleveland for Tyrod Taylor, a player on the final year of his contract who was not in the Bills 2018 plans. 2019 Ford trade up: Beane used the 5th rounder he acquired from Oakland for AJ McCarron, who was not going to make the 2018 Bills. 2019 Knox trade up: Beane used the 4th from KC in the Ragland trade as well as our own to move up for Knox. 2020 Diggs trade: The 2 picks beyond the 1st this year were acquired for 2 guys who weren't going to make the team-Teller & Bodine. The Bills used next year's 4th for this year's 7th from Minnesota. Conclusion: Beane covets his own draft choices, but is always willing to trade up, but only when he doesn't have to use too many of his original picks. He considers picks he's acquired in trades for players the team had little use for as chips that he can use to move up. In all the trades above, Beane used 8 picks to move up (not including the base pick in that round or the next round if trading back into a round, like the Knox trade). Of those 8 picks, 7 were extra picks acquired in trades for players the Bills felt were expendable to begin with either due to contract status, inability to make the 53 man roster, or just a bad fit. Of those extra picks, the only players still on the teams they were traded to are Ragland & Teller. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Trading up is almost definitely going to happen. Almost all of the roster spots are already filled with good players. Even without the draft, we are going to be pressed to put together 53 guys without being forced to release valuable veterans or promising prospects. We simply don't have enough room for all of these picks on the active roster. And you really don't want your 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th Round guys being pushed to the practice squad, because they will almost certainly get snatched up by other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's something interesting about Beane's trades-most of the picks that were used to trade up were extra picks acquired when the Bills traded players for picks that weren't in their long term plans. Since Beane wasn't here in 2017, let's look only at the drafts he was here for: 2018: Allen trade up: Players traded to acquire the picks needed-Glenn to move up to 12, Watkins, on the final year of his contract for 2nd rounder used in trade. Beane used only 1 of the Bills own original picks(own 2nd rounder) to trade up from 21 to 7. 2018 Edmunds trade up: Beane used none of the Bills own picks to get Edmunds. The 22nd pick was acquired in the trade before he got here & the 3rd rounder was stolen from Cleveland for Tyrod Taylor, a player on the final year of his contract who was not in the Bills 2018 plans. 2019 Ford trade up: Beane used the 5th rounder he acquired from Oakland for AJ McCarron, who was not going to make the 2018 Bills. 2019 Knox trade up: Beane used the 4th from KC in the Ragland trade as well as our own to move up for Knox. 2020 Diggs trade: The 2 picks beyond the 1st this year were acquired for 2 guys who weren't going to make the team-Teller & Bodine. The Bills used next year's 4th for this year's 7th from Minnesota. Conclusion: Beane covets his own draft choices, but is always willing to trade up, but only when he doesn't have to use too many of his original picks. He considers picks he's acquired in trades for players the team had little use for as chips that he can use to move up. In all the trades above, Beane used 8 picks to move up (not including the base pick in that round or the next round if trading back into a round, like the Knox trade). Of those 8 picks, 7 were extra picks acquired in trades for players the Bills felt were expendable to begin with either due to contract status, inability to make the 53 man roster, or just a bad fit. Of those extra picks, the only players still on the teams they were traded to are Ragland & Teller. I don't think that Beane thinks there is any magic in the original Bills draft picks. Most of the times that I have checked, the draft-chart table came out almost exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Hmm, trade up in the 2nd to get an OT so we can have him while re-signing Dawkins.... Sounds exactly like what they did last year. What about the 4th, 5th, 2x6ths, and the 7th? Walk away with 3 key players like RB, Edge, and OL in terms of OT, even trade into the first. Depends on how they see Ford long-term. If someone like Becton or Thomas is available at 15 or after, it makes a tempting trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Walk away with 3 key players like RB, Edge, and OL We don't have 2 6th's only one, 2nd one was traded for Diggs. If you keep your 2nd and 3rd and trade all remaining picks, you can get up to the bottom of the 3rd. Personally I'd rather have a 4th and 5th as you can still get good players at that area of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: We don't have 2 6th's only one, 2nd one was traded for Diggs. If you keep your 2nd and 3rd and trade all remaining picks, you can get up to the bottom of the 3rd. Personally I'd rather have a 4th and 5th as you can still get good players at that area of the draft. We had 3 6ths before the trade, and 2 5ths. We now have 2 6ths and 1 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We had 3 6ths before the trade, and 2 5ths. We now have 2 6ths and 1 5th. Well then I guess the OP is wrong as he posted a list of all the picks we have and that only showed one left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Well then I guess the OP is wrong as he posted a list of all the picks we have and that only showed one left. It's tough to keep track of with all of Beane's wheeling and dealing. We never had a 7th (or rather, we did at one point but traded it away for Corey Coleman last year) Here was our original list before the Diggs trade: Round 1: 22nd overall Round 2: 54th overall Round 3: 86th overall Round 4: 128th overall Round 5: 155th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 5: 167th overall Round 6: 188th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 6: 201st overall Round 6: 207th overall (from BAL through NE, Bodine) BUT, we did pick up a 7th in the Diggs trade. So now that is: Round 2: 54th overall Round 3: 86th overall Round 4: 128th overall Round 5: 167th overall Round 6: 188th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 6: 201st overall Round 7: 239th overall Edited April 1, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's tough to keep track of with all of Beane's wheeling and dealing. We never had a 7th (or rather, we did at one point but traded it away for Corey Coleman last year) Here was our original list before the Diggs trade: Round 1: 22nd overall Round 2: 54th overall Round 3: 86th overall Round 4: 128th overall Round 5: 155th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 5: 167th overall Round 6: 188th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 6: 201st overall Round 6: 207th overall (from BAL through NE, Bodine) OK well then maybe the OP was incorrect, though still not sure the extra 6th is going to help too much as at the bottom of the 6th. Amazingly 7th rounders are worth a total of 1 point! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I expect them to probably trade back up into the 3rd like they did last year. Unless there is a guy in the mid 2nd they are drooling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: OK well then maybe the OP was incorrect, though still not sure the extra 6th is going to help too much as at the bottom of the 6th. Amazingly 7th rounders are worth a total of 1 point! It's pretty tough to track. Even looking into it now, I see conflicting reports on the Vikings page, the Bills articles, and Wikipedia, as to exactly which picks we traded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Hardhatharry said: I think Beane is looking for only 3-4 picks out of this draft. I think he wants 1-2 that have a chance to start immediately. Good, I hope he trades up in the 2nd if Taylor is there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 For our draft picks, I took what we had earlier, and subtracted what I found on the Viking various sites. Probably in the next two weeks things will become clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: The only thing working against this idea is the notion the most GMs wont be as willing to trade in this draft due to the lack of interviews and visits, and also the limited staff teams are likely to have in the war room. The NFL isnt going to allow a room of 15 guys working the phones. It looks like they are going to allow 5 or so FO members to be in the team war room. Beane may want to trade up, but may have a tougher time than usual finding a partner, and a tougher time than usual getting a deal done in time. A team if they wish can built a set of plexiglass boxes with microphones/speakers for team members to be in so all can participate and Beane can talk to any member of team he wants. 9 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: nobody thinks our actual Dawkins is a bust. Somebody does. Does not make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 10 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: I don't think that Beane thinks there is any magic in the original Bills draft picks. Most of the times that I have checked, the draft-chart table came out almost exact. My point was he usually uses picks where he has multiple picks in the same round when he trades up. He never leaves the cupboard bare. Most of those picks were acquired by jettisoning players the Bills didn't want or who were on the last years of their contracts & weren't going to be re-signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Vosean Josephy, HOF Rb Mike McCoy and Darold Dawkins settled it for me, Beane can't spell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 2, 2020 Author Share Posted April 2, 2020 13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: It's tough to keep track of with all of Beane's wheeling and dealing. We never had a 7th (or rather, we did at one point but traded it away for Corey Coleman last year) Here was our original list before the Diggs trade: Round 1: 22nd overall Round 2: 54th overall Round 3: 86th overall Round 4: 128th overall Round 5: 155th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 5: 167th overall Round 6: 188th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 6: 201st overall Round 6: 207th overall (from BAL through NE, Bodine) BUT, we did pick up a 7th in the Diggs trade. So now that is: Round 2: 54th overall Round 3: 86th overall Round 4: 128th overall Round 5: 167th overall Round 6: 188th overall (from CLE, Teller) Round 6: 201st overall Round 7: 239th overall The Vikings complete list of picks in the 2020 NFL Draft is below: Round 1 (No. 22) from Buffalo Round 1 (No. 25) Round 2 (No. 58) Round 3 (No. 89) Round 3 (No. 105) compensatory Round 4 (No. 132) Round 5 (No. 155) from Buffalo <<<<<<<<Round 6 (No. 201) from Buffalo>>>>>>>> Round 6 (No. 205) Round 7 (No. 219) Round 7 (No. 249) compensatory Round 7 (No. 253) compensatory https://www.vikings.com/news/2020-minnesota-vikings-draft-picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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