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A little trivia here...
 

Who had more sacks in 2019: Ngakoue or Addison?

 

How about in 2018?

 

How about over the last 4 years, the time from which Ngakoue entered the league?

 

I agree about Josh taking a step and adding a home run threat in the backfield (like my boy Darrynton Evans), but I think they checked the vet pass rusher box already.

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A #1 TE who can be trusted to catch the ball in all situations would get the Bills closer to the Super Bowl than a backup RB

 

IMO

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I think the Bills are Super Bowl contenders right now. Most teams in the league are 3 moves away from joining them.

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5 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

We lost ;

Zo Alexander   OLB

Jordan Phillips  DT

Shaq Lawson   DE

Kevin Johnson   CB

 

We added;

Mario Addison  OLB

Vernon Butler   DT

Quinton Jefferson  DE

Josh Norman  CB

AJ Klein OLB

Tyler Matakevich  ILB

 

We will also get Harrison Phillips back at DT

 

We did lose some pieces on D, but I think we added some decent replacements, even possible upgrades at those positions.  Some of them have played in McDermott's system before.  I still think our D will be solid this year.

 

This.  And of the people we lost.  

 

1.   Zo.  Much loved.  Great story.  Terribly overrated as a bill. 

2.   Decent player.  Got some sacks.  Harrison Phillip's is better all around player. 

3.  See above.  Jefferson a better player. 

4.  Johnson was a stop gap at best.  Norman and a rookie feels much better. 

 

Not to mention another year under Edmund's and oliver. 

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Given the moves made so far and presuming they add solid players in rounds 2-4 in  the draft here are my 3 pieces:

 

1. If Allen plays the same as last year, playoffs and maybe 1 playoff win

2. If Allen make that "next step" in his development they win the division and 1-2 playoff games

3. If Allen takes a quantum leap (which happens between years 2-3) they are a Super Bowl contender

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I’m looking forward to seeing Christian Wade more this year too.

Lets Go Buffalo!!!!!

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I believe edge rusher is important in the NFL. However Sean and Leslie get the most out of their players. I don’t see a big trade or signing at this position coming. 
Some players will improve from last season. Levi and Johnson are two important players to watch.

Josh is of course the focus of the offense and entire team. If he continues on the same trajectory he will be productive at the level to get this offense to that mid 20’s average score a game.
another dynamic running back is for sure needed. If Singletary got hurt the offense would be more pass reliant and using Josh’s legs to move the ball more, I don’t want that. Need another RB to SHARE carries.

Diggs need to become part of the offense. We have heard from multiple players that Daboll’s offense isn’t easy to learn. I hope Diggs can pick it up quick and develop chemistry with Josh.

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2 out 3 aint bad

 

correct - maturity and accuracy improvement from our qb; reads, throwing WRs open, more loft than thrust on those deep balls, touc-accuracy on the short-intermediate throws; Diggs is going to help here as well...

 

RB - yep - waiting for the vet RBs to drop their price, the market is telling them so, its just a matter of time as to which ?  Miller (ACL tear last Aug, has two 1000+ seasons; Donta Freeman is avail as well, not sure about the lesser names...enlighten me with your sleeper choice

 

DE-DL - disagree, here we are done and we are better, lots of solid talent and depth, expect better overall run defense from the interior, and better pressures from Addison off the edge compared to the guys that left, trust the process is in phase 3 or 4.  plus I would rather save the draft assets and salary cap cash for extensions for Dawkins, Milano and Trey coming up....

 

 

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6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I believe the Bills are just three pieces away from being a serious Super Bowl contender.  One of those pieces is already on the roster, one should not be too hard to come by, and the final piece will cost a pretty penny.

 

The first piece is a QB who is able to lead an offense that can score an average of 24 points a week.  Last season the Bills averaged 19.6.  The top six offenses last season were Ravens 33.2, San Fran 29.9,  Saints 28.6, Bucs 28.6, Chiefs 28.2, and Dallas 27.2 points per game.  Obviously averaging 28 points a week from Josh Allen and Co. would be even better, but I think that with our defense coming back essentially intact, we can probably be in every game if the offense can just score 24 points. 

 

Josh Allen needs to take another step and with another year in the League and in this offense, with O-Line stability and more playmakers, the table is set for him to play much better.  He wasn't a turn over machine last year, far from it, he had 9 INTs and 4 lost fumbles for a very respectable 13 turnovers during the regular season.  A QB averaging less than one turn over a game is solid.  Allen protects the ball, now he needs to start putting some more points on the board.

 

The second piece is a solid backfield compliment to Singletary.  Whoever they are is not on the roster yet.  The RB back position is the one position that a rookie can step in from the college ranks and make a difference.  That may be the way to go because the free agent RB market is drying up fast.  Devonta Freeman, Lamar Miller, and Chris Thompson are probably the three best still out there.  Not very inspiring.  That is why I think the Bills go best RB on the board with their pick in the 2nd or 3rd round like J.K. Dobbins out of Ohio State or A.J. Dillon out of Boston College who is a bruiser at 6'0' and 247 lbs.  Our own version of a thunder and lightning with him and Motor in the backfield.  A second RB is still a big hole on this roster and it needs to be addressed if we are going to contend for a championship

 

The third piece is an honest to god EDGE rushing beast who can consistently get after the QB.  This is going to be the expensive part.  The Bills finished 12th in the League last year with 44 sacks.  For reference, the top squad was Pittsburgh with 54.  Watching our defense last year swarm the ball, repeatedly bend but not break, and only give up an incredible 16.2 points per game (behind only the Pats at 14.1), I think many would be happy to just stand pat where we are and that would be a reasonable argument, but I would disagree.  We are trying to beat out 31 other teams to the championship.  We are in a two year window with Allen on his rookie contract and a wide open division.  We need to strike now.

 

I think adding Yannick Ngakoue from the Jags would be the final piece of the puzzle.  It would be expensive and would almost certainly cost us next year's first and eat up a bunch of our remaining cap space this year.  Would Clowney on a 1 year "prove it" deal be a reasonable, less expensive option?  Maybe.  I'd rather go with Ngakoue who by all accounts seems more like a "Process" guy than Clowney.   Ngakoue is only 25 and Clowney is 27 with more of an injury history.  

 

We are not going to draft a rookie EDGE in the 2nd round this year who is going to be an immediate difference maker.  I don't think that anyone we would add with a late 1st round pick next year would have the kind of impact that Ngakoue would.  More to the point, that 1st round pick in next year's draft doesn't help us at all this year when we have a real chance to make a run. Putting a beast like Ngakoue on this defense right now would create the scariest defense in the NFL and would make life very tough on Lamar Jackson and Mahomes who we need to get past to get to the Super Bowl.  Having a stronger defense would provide Allen and the offense with an even bigger cushion this year. 

 

I think now is the time to make these moves. (1) Allen takes a step,  (2) grab a solid RB2,  (3) make a deal for Ngakoue, and the Buffalo Bills will be true contenders for the AFC crown and a Super Bowl berth.  It's time for Beane to push his chips into the middle of the table.

 

Allen is the QB, McCaffrey is the RB, JJ Watt or Joey Bosa is the DE

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Better play from Josh and the rest should fall in place. 
 

I would agree with the OP. Another solid RB on offense and a good edge rusher would go a long way. 

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

A little trivia here...
 

Who had more sacks in 2019: Ngakoue or Addison?

 

How about in 2018?

 

How about over the last 4 years, the time from which Ngakoue entered the league?

 

I agree about Josh taking a step and adding a home run threat in the backfield (like my boy Darrynton Evans), but I think they checked the vet pass rusher box already.

Not sure of season stats but in last few years Addison has more sacks total

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

A little trivia here...
 

Who had more sacks in 2019: Ngakoue or Addison?

 

How about in 2018?

 

How about over the last 4 years, the time from which Ngakoue entered the league?

 

I agree about Josh taking a step and adding a home run threat in the backfield (like my boy Darrynton Evans), but I think they checked the vet pass rusher box already.

 

Meh. We will see.

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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. We will see.


Don’t be ageist bruh 🤣

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3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Don’t be ageist bruh 🤣

 

I will remind you of this when Addison and his arthritic knees are plodding his way around an offensive tackle next season. The way we use the word "vet" or "veteran" in sport in the UK is very different to the way you guys use it. We use it for really old dudes. In this case the Bills got a veteran edge rusher...... but he is a vet in the British sense of the word. :D

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7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So I’m not disagreeing with one and two

 

our defense was super bowl caliber last year 

 

offense needs to be consistently better next year

On the topics of #1 and #3.....Allen can and  will be better imho.  However, Daboll has to be better also...he had a few wierd brain cramp calls last year in critical situations...he needs to do better  and avoid crazy gadget stuff when what is working should be  continued.

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6 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

On the topics of #1 and #3.....Allen can and  will be better imho.  However, Daboll has to be better also...he had a few wierd brain cramp calls last year in critical situations...he needs to do better  and avoid crazy gadget stuff when what is working should be  continued.

I agree with this

 

like run the ball until they actually stop it

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Two players put the Bills of late 1980s early 1990s over the top, Bennett and Lofton. Bennett made Smith better and Lofton made Reed better, they took pressure off those guys. Yes the offense needs to score more Allen needs to progress, but Diggs is going to help a lot. Draft a running back in round 3 or 4. I don’t know anything about the RBs that will be available there, but based on size alone and possibly being a compliment to Singletary, I like Dillon. Not so big on the idea of trading away next years first round pick. 

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7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I agree with you, last year's D was elite.  I think our D could be historically great with a legitimate edge rusher like Ngakoue.  The Ravens won the Super Bowl in '01 with that amazing defense and Trent Dilfer at QB.  The Ravens didn't even bring him back next year.  For better or worse, our offense is pretty much set right now for 2020 except for the RB2.  If we can put Ngakoue on this D we might not need as much out of Josh Allen and the offense. 

 

Defenses can win championships. The final score of Super Bowl LIII, just the year before last, was Patriots 13 --- LA Rams 3.

Our defense last year was very good but it was a good pass rush away from being elite.  But I totally agree with a better, more consistent offense, it was  SB caliber.

 

With our schedule this year (we played some awful qbs last year) and some losses on defenses, it won’t shocked me if the defense falls back a little bit.  So it’s on Allen and the offense to make up the gap.  But good post. 

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its a shame last years defense was not playoff win caliber. If they had held on to beat the Texans, apparently they would have led us to victory in the Super Bowl. 

Come on.  The offense scored 6 points in the last 3 quarters of the game. 

6 hours ago, MJS said:

I don't believe that a backup running back will make or break a team's Superbowl chances.

There is no way Singletary is making it through an entire season as the bellcow.  He’s just not built for that.  They need a 2nd rb to help with the load. 

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2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

A little trivia here...
 

Who had more sacks in 2019: Ngakoue or Addison?

 

How about in 2018?

 

How about over the last 4 years, the time from which Ngakoue entered the league?

 

I agree about Josh taking a step and adding a home run threat in the backfield (like my boy Darrynton Evans), but I think they checked the vet pass rusher box already.

You can never have enough pass rushers.  They still need more. Hughes gets about 5 sacks a year for the last 4 years.  Murphy gets 4.  And it’s the nfl.  Guys in their 30s can fall off at any given moment. It happens all the time.  
 

I would love to see this team acquire one more pass rusher with double digit sack skills. 

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7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I believe the Bills are just three pieces away from being a serious Super Bowl contender.  One of those pieces is already on the roster, one should not be too hard to come by, and the final piece will cost a pretty penny.

 

The first piece is a QB who is able to lead an offense that can score an average of 24 points a week.  Last season the Bills averaged 19.6.  The top six offenses last season were Ravens 33.2, San Fran 29.9,  Saints 28.6, Bucs 28.6, Chiefs 28.2, and Dallas 27.2 points per game.  Obviously averaging 28 points a week from Josh Allen and Co. would be even better, but I think that with our defense coming back essentially intact, we can probably be in every game if the offense can just score 24 points. 

 

Josh Allen needs to take another step and with another year in the League and in this offense, with O-Line stability and more playmakers, the table is set for him to play much better.  He wasn't a turn over machine last year, far from it, he had 9 INTs and 4 lost fumbles for a very respectable 13 turnovers during the regular season.  A QB averaging less than one turn over a game is solid.  Allen protects the ball, now he needs to start putting some more points on the board.

 

The second piece is a solid backfield compliment to Singletary.  Whoever they are is not on the roster yet.  The RB back position is the one position that a rookie can step in from the college ranks and make a difference.  That may be the way to go because the free agent RB market is drying up fast.  Devonta Freeman, Lamar Miller, and Chris Thompson are probably the three best still out there.  Not very inspiring.  That is why I think the Bills go best RB on the board with their pick in the 2nd or 3rd round like J.K. Dobbins out of Ohio State or A.J. Dillon out of Boston College who is a bruiser at 6'0' and 247 lbs.  Our own version of a thunder and lightning with him and Motor in the backfield.  A second RB is still a big hole on this roster and it needs to be addressed if we are going to contend for a championship

 

The third piece is an honest to god EDGE rushing beast who can consistently get after the QB.  This is going to be the expensive part.  The Bills finished 12th in the League last year with 44 sacks.  For reference, the top squad was Pittsburgh with 54.  Watching our defense last year swarm the ball, repeatedly bend but not break, and only give up an incredible 16.2 points per game (behind only the Pats at 14.1), I think many would be happy to just stand pat where we are and that would be a reasonable argument, but I would disagree.  We are trying to beat out 31 other teams to the championship.  We are in a two year window with Allen on his rookie contract and a wide open division.  We need to strike now.

 

I think adding Yannick Ngakoue from the Jags would be the final piece of the puzzle.  It would be expensive and would almost certainly cost us next year's first and eat up a bunch of our remaining cap space this year.  Would Clowney on a 1 year "prove it" deal be a reasonable, less expensive option?  Maybe.  I'd rather go with Ngakoue who by all accounts seems more like a "Process" guy than Clowney.   Ngakoue is only 25 and Clowney is 27 with more of an injury history.  

 

We are not going to draft a rookie EDGE in the 2nd round this year who is going to be an immediate difference maker.  I don't think that anyone we would add with a late 1st round pick next year would have the kind of impact that Ngakoue would.  More to the point, that 1st round pick in next year's draft doesn't help us at all this year when we have a real chance to make a run. Putting a beast like Ngakoue on this defense right now would create the scariest defense in the NFL and would make life very tough on Lamar Jackson and Mahomes who we need to get past to get to the Super Bowl.  Having a stronger defense would provide Allen and the offense with an even bigger cushion this year. 

 

I think now is the time to make these moves. (1) Allen takes a step,  (2) grab a solid RB2,  (3) make a deal for Ngakoue, and the Buffalo Bills will be true contenders for the AFC crown and a Super Bowl berth.  It's time for Beane to push his chips into the middle of the table.

 

 

Nice post.

 

Ok, so we got Josh Allen for #1.  With the addition of Diggs, it gives us a solid WR trio (plus singletary flaring out of the backfield) which will make it very hard for any defense to deal with.  Last year, Brown was the #1... Can you imagine how much better he can do against the other teams #2 CB? Which then makes a better matchup for Beasley and the TE inside.   Josh just needs to start trusting the WR's a little more and throw just a hair earlier.  This will also let him not hold the ball for so long.

 

#2 RB. This will probably be added via draft. 

 

#3 DE. I'm not sure this is going to happen... rushing beast DE's are usually not available in the 2nd round.  So this addition would have to be thru FA or trade.  For myself, I'd like a go at Clowney w/ a 2 year 'prove it deal' with a decently high base salary 12-15MIL/yr and performance bonuses that could get up to 20-22MIL.  Getting Clowney would instantly upgrade our pass rush.  I think he would give us the opportunity to just rush 4 and still get the same pressure as our 'creative' generated pass rush (which someone else coined in this thread).  They we can play zone with 7 defenders behind the rush and make it very hard to find someone open.  Clowney maximized our defensive potential IMO.

 

Now, for some other 'minor' positions that need some TLC.

#4 WR - It would be absolutely criminal if we did not take advantage of this amazing, deep WR class.  we need at least 1 WR drafted and some draft free agents to provide depth behind the Big 3.

 

#5 OT - It looks like we are really putting all our eggs in the Ford basket at RT.  Hopefully he will improve after a year under his belt, more mind melting of the offensive line and an offseason of technique work.

 

SUPER BOWL HERE WE COME!!! :thumbsup: 

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33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

There is no way Singletary is making it through an entire season as the bellcow.  He’s just not built for that.  They need a 2nd rb to help with the load. 

Sure, I agree, but I don't think that propels us to a Superbowl. If we go to a Superbowl it's because Josh Allen improves and not because we brought in a 2nd running back.

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6 hours ago, MJS said:

I don't believe that a backup running back will make or break a team's Superbowl chances.

I do...man cannot live on Singletary, alone...but by a well balanced rushing attack that allows for moderation for all parties involved...😉

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The Bills were pretty much in every game even with the offense only scoring 19.6 points...well maybe except the Philly game that got away from them after halftime, but through the first half they were right there...

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I don’t think we’ll be adding a god pass rusher this year, yet we can still win the SB

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8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

So I’m not disagreeing with one and two

 

our defense was super bowl caliber last year 

 

offense needs to be consistently better next year

I'm here pretty much.  Yeah Josh Allen needs to take another giant step forward and the Bills need to add a complement to Devin Singletary who can get chunk yardage.  That's not a complaint about Singletary, but late last season, when Singletary wasn't on the field, the Bills couldn't do a thing on the ground.  On defense, Buffalo has a killer rotation up front.  Both Oliver and Jefferson can get after the QB from the 3 tech spot.  Both Lotulelei and Butler can tie up blockers and are strong against the run.  Oliver and Jefferson are both better versus the run than Jordan Phillips was.  Addison is comparable to Shaq Lawson in every way but age.  I think with the quality across the board, Hughes is going to have more chances  to get sacks.  I think Buffalo will be top five in sacks this coming season, and they will get them from multiple spots, not one or two superstars.

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