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8 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

I still think long term JA will be better than Lamar. Right now it's fair to say they have a significant advantage at QB, but in 2-3 years I think Josh will be upper echelon and Lamar will be on that second tier of guys like Phillip rivers in his prime. (not saying his style is similar at all to rivers just where he will rank among QBS)

Good article! Not sure how far apart Jackson and Allen are, but I can’t see Lamar really taking his game much higher. Josh Allen however still has a lot more upside IMO!

Philip Rivers has always been a riddle. At times he seems elite and 2nd tier the next. Not sure if he just needed more weapons or he wasn’t what he appeared to be! He certainly had a GREAT tight end to throw to!!!

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11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Funny that a non-Bills fan is higher on the Bills than most Bills fans.

 

 

Most Bills fans are very high on the Bills. I'm high on them but I'm also realistic. The schedule is tough. BUT I think the Chargers and Patriots are weaker post free agency. 

 

It's still a tough schedule on paper. I said before free agency the Bills could be a better team in 2020 but have a worse record.

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Ravens defense looks like it'll return to glory this season.  Good lord, do they have some pieces...

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I'll go ahead and say it here -- if you follow the NFL and you don't believe the Bills are a legitimate contender in 2020, you're really not paying much attention.  The writers who have me shaking my head are the ones who continue to predict the Pats*** will win the East or that the Fish are primary contenders.  The Pats*** have huge question marks throughout their roster and while the Fish have been active, they're still relying upon Fitzmagic (or perhaps a rookie).

 

The Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, and Titans are the best-positioned clubs entering this season in the AFC.  I believe Tannehill will revert back to the mean and scuttle the Titans' chances, but he brings continuity until further notice.  I also believe Lamar won't ever duplicate last season now that teams have good tape of how to slow him down (Bills, Titans).  Which leaves us with the Chiefs and Bills.

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3 minutes ago, eball said:

I'll go ahead and say it here -- if you follow the NFL and you don't believe the Bills are a legitimate contender in 2020, you're really not paying much attention.  The writers who have me shaking my head are the ones who continue to predict the Pats*** will win the East or that the Fish are primary contenders.  The Pats*** have huge question marks throughout their roster and while the Fish have been active, they're still relying upon Fitzmagic (or perhaps a rookie).

 

The Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, and Titans are the best-positioned clubs entering this season in the AFC.  I believe Tannehill will revert back to the mean and scuttle the Titans' chances, but he brings continuity until further notice.  I also believe Lamar won't ever duplicate last season now that teams have good tape of how to slow him down (Bills, Titans).  Which leaves us with the Chiefs and Bills.

I would add the Steelers as long as Bens elbow holds up. There’s no reason that defense shouldn’t remain a top 5 unit and, IMO, they would have won 10 games last year even with just solid qb play. 
 

And you’re right about the reporting. You really have to consider the sources. While your regular reporters are sticking with the same lazy takes, most former players I’ve seen talk about the bills(Irvin, Spears, orvlosky, Simms, O’Hara) have said they consider them favorites in the East and actual contenders. 

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6 minutes ago, eball said:

I'll go ahead and say it here -- if you follow the NFL and you don't believe the Bills are a legitimate contender in 2020, you're really not paying much attention.  The writers who have me shaking my head are the ones who continue to predict the Pats*** will win the East or that the Fish are primary contenders.  The Pats*** have huge question marks throughout their roster and while the Fish have been active, they're still relying upon Fitzmagic (or perhaps a rookie).

 

The Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, and Titans are the best-positioned clubs entering this season in the AFC.  I believe Tannehill will revert back to the mean and scuttle the Titans' chances, but he brings continuity until further notice.  I also believe Lamar won't ever duplicate last season now that teams have good tape of how to slow him down (Bills, Titans).  Which leaves us with the Chiefs and Bills.

 

Agree, except I think the Dolphins will be very good this year, minus a franchise QB. Flores is a great coach. We saw that last year.

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21 minutes ago, eball said:

Which leaves us with the Chiefs and Bills.

 

I'm down for an AFC Championship, even if at Arrowhead. Good fans and amazing tailgating.

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11 hours ago, Augie said:

 

So true, but I think Jackson will be forced to adjust after a year of film. Between the hashes and the TE stuff up the seams will be mostly taken away, and he’ll have to grow in his game, as does Josh. A lot on the QB’s, and a lot on the coaching staffs. Hard to tell right now. 

Have to say Jackson was the better player last year. But that gaps going to narrow a ton this year.

12 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

How awesome is it that a writer from a different city lists us as amongst the AFC "Big Three"? My how times are a changin'.

39 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I would add the Steelers as long as Bens elbow holds up. There’s no reason that defense shouldn’t remain a top 5 unit and, IMO, they would have won 10 games last year even with just solid qb play.

 Good point, I would refer to their defense as "predatory".

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11 hours ago, BubbaT said:

Don't know about Klein being a "defensive lineman" or Diggs being "a big tall receiver" but the overall sentiment is appreciated

LMAO was thinking the same thing. Borderline mailed it in. Good catch.

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The Bills could have beat the Ravens this past season.  Everybody saw it, it was a close tough game, and Lamar J didn't break the Bills D.

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12 hours ago, CSBill said:

Agree with almost all he writes, except this: "Another is the Ravens have a major advantage over Buffalo at the quarterback position with Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen." I question that. At this point, I would say they're about even. Jackson is a better runner, and Allen is a better passer.--but there is not much separation either way. I would say its about even right now.

They think that Jackson's a big upgrade over Josh at quarterback. I think NFL defenses are going to figure out Jackson this year he won't be anywhere near as effective. He's just not an effective pocket passer.

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51 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

They think that Jackson's a big upgrade over Josh at quarterback. I think NFL defenses are going to figure out Jackson this year he won't be anywhere near as effective. He's just not an effective pocket passer.

Why are there such double standards here?  You know who isn’t a good pocket passer? Josh Allen.  You guys love to trash guys like Jackson and Newton and their passing abilities.  You realize they have been better passers at every level than Allen right?  Against much better competition in college, right?

 

and this is far from a knock against Allen because I’m comparing him to MVP and Heisman trophy winners.  But there seems like there are serious double standards here.  Allen’s best skill right now is his running ability.  Can he improve? Of course.  And so can Jackson.

 

and the Bills on paper have one of the best rosters in the afc.  Much tougher schedule and need Allen to take the next step.  This year will be a great test of if Allen is a franchise guy.  

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yea, when he said that bit about Jackson being a major advantage over Allen, my eyebrow raised a little.  

 

but then he goes on to say somehow that Watson is overrated, when in fact he is rated accurately.  you know who I think is overrated running his college offense lol?

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5 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

I defer to Mark Twain on this issue: ""There are lies, damned lies and statistics." . . . Jackson stats as a passer defy his reality as a passer.

Jackson has had better stats as a passer than Allen since high school and did in college in the ACC while Allen was a 56% in the MWC.  But clearly Allen is a better passer and all of Jackson’s numbers don’t count.  Just like his Heisman and MVP. Clearly, Allen is the better passer and qb . Excellent point. 

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A three way race for the AFC crown!  Wowsers!!!!!

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4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Jackson has had better stats as a passer than Allen since high school and did in college in the ACC while Allen was a 56% in the MWC.  But clearly Allen is a better passer and all of Jackson’s numbers don’t count.  Just like his Heisman and MVP. Clearly, Allen is the better passer and qb . Excellent point. 

 

To quote a former Bills Coach, "Obviously!"

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15 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Funny that a non-Bills fan is higher on the Bills than most Bills fans.

 

 

It's almost reflexive at this point after such a generational-length franchise morass. However, I honestly can't come up with a better suited coaching/FO combo to reverse this than what we have now--2/3 playoff caliber years with even more justified optimism of what's to come? Sign me up.    

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14 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Jackson was third in the league in passer rating. If Allen had been third, the Bills would have won the Super Bowl.  Hard to say Allen is the better passer. 

 

Jackson and Allen have nearly identical  stats from last year:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc

 

With the biggest difference coming in the scheme that was built around Jackson to give him easy throws to TEs. Whereas Allen has been running a more traditional, pure-passing Offense taken from the Patriots.

 

I'd say our QB situations are about equal, but for different reasons.

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I have to say, as ***** as this whole virus thing is, I was thinking it kind of freezes everything in place, and who knows for how long...so teams that were good last year and return much of their roster (ahem) I'd think have a big leg up over any team that sucked last year and had major turnover or have to start over at QB. Basically, if there's no training camps or they are shortened...continuity becomes an even bigger advantage than normal I'd think.

 

Of course the season is so long most teams will usually find their footing somewhere. But I sure like bringing a "built" and ready team into next year.

 

And of course, I want this virus crap to be over with ASAP.

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6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Jackson and Allen have nearly identical  stats from last year:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc

 

With the biggest difference coming in the scheme that was built around Jackson to give him easy throws to TEs. Whereas Allen has been running a more traditional, pure-passing Offense taken from the Patriots.

 

I'd say our QB situations are about equal, but for different reasons.

I don’t get this Dr.  Jackson had 16 more td passes.  He completed 66% of his passes (Allen was 58.8%) at a higher YPA (7.8 compared to 6.7).  Also, Jackson had better passing numbers in college (what good Louisville receivers did have that are in the nfl) than Allen while playing against much harder competition.  How can anyone say Allen is a better passer at this point?  There is zero evidence of this.  And it’s not knocking Allen.  But it’s question why so many people don’t give Jackson more credit. 
 

also, shouldn’t every team want to give their qb easy passes to complete?  It would be pretty dumb not to.  Maybe the Bills should borrow some concepts from the Ravens who had a much superior offense. 

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14 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

It’s all in the game they are asked to execute and the players that surround them. How well did Jackson’s passing game help him in the playoffs? 

I've always said Lamar's running athleticism is off the charts. But it wouldn't surprise me to see a gradual decrease in pocket proficiency from him over the years. Josh's qbr may never avg 100 over the years but with our defense we can still win a SB with him in the 90's. But basically the writer is right. The Bills will be scary good in the next 2-3 years. 

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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t get this Dr.  Jackson had 16 more td passes.  He completed 66% of his passes (Allen was 58.8%) at a higher YPA (7.8 compared to 6.7).  Also, Jackson had better passing numbers in college (what good Louisville receivers did have that are in the nfl) than Allen while playing against much harder competition.  How can anyone say Allen is a better passer at this point?  There is zero evidence of this.  And it’s not knocking Allen.  But it’s question why so many people don’t give Jackson more credit. 
 

also, shouldn’t every team want to give their qb easy passes to complete?  It would be pretty dumb not to.  Maybe the Bills should borrow some concepts from the Ravens who had a much superior offense. 

 

Jackson may very well be able to step into a Patriots offense, or a Gruden offense, or a WC offense, and sling the ball all over the field. Maybe. But we dont know because he hasnt been asked to do it. Instead, he's been in a customized, Greg Roman, run-first, make short check down passes to TEs in space, offense.

 

I dont knock the Ravens Coaching for designing that offense. It's brilliant to be able to craft an entire scheme around a player's talents.

 

But that is why people dont give Jackson more credit. He isnt being asked to win with his arm. And when he's been forced to win with his arm as a "classic QB", the Ravens look incredibly vulnerable. It's a major piece of how the Titans shut them down and held the Ravens to 12 points.

 

I love that there is a fresh new crop of young QBs to route for, and that we have one of them, and that balance is coming back to the league. I hope Jackson continues to have success (expect when playing the Bills). But I also expect Defenses to have him more figured out this year. We'll see...

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31 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

It's almost reflexive at this point after such a generational-length franchise morass. However, I honestly can't come up with a better suited coaching/FO combo to reverse this than what we have now--2/3 playoff caliber years with even more justified optimism of what's to come? Sign me up.    

 


In three years as Bills guys like Milano and Tre have spent most of their career in the playoffs.

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