Did we turn a corner at culture?

[The Red King]

So, the Diggs signing left me wondering about the Bills' culture.  When McBeane took over, we had culture like the kind you find in petri dishes.  They began the slow and painful process of turning things around.  Players were purged, and others brought in, and always the question was, how well did they fit the culture McBeane was trying to create.  A key point was, what impact could this player have on the culture?  Were you a "Process" player or not?  And it seems to be working.  Just listening to the players makes it clear.

 

Diggs does not fit that mode.  His squabbles with the Vikes show that.  Two, three years ago he wouldn't have matched the image of a process player.

 

So, have they turned a corner?  Is Buffalo's culture now strong enough that we can move from asking what a player can do for the culture, and instead ask what the culture can do for the player, in a similar (but lesser) manner to New England?

[Chandler#81]

You obviously haven’t done your homework. He’s excellent with community work, and an extremely hard worker. Zero run ins with the law. Long & short if it, he and Cousins didn’t get along. 

Read, son.

[GETTOTHE50]

Cousins sucks balls with his vomit worthy YOU LIKE THAT attitude. 

 

JA is a gamer. He’s gonna love playing with him. 

[CSBill]

I think Diggs will do just fine in this culture. And, he''ll embrace and build it. I think!  But, your point is well-taken. I do think your theory is solid, we are at place where a risk can be taken.

Edited March 17, 2020 by CSBill

[JoeF]

https://www.gtcuw.org/diggs/

 

https://theundefeated.com/features/vikings-stefon-diggs-returns-to-hometown-of-washington-to-donate-coats-to-students-in-need-im-not-that-far-off-from-you/

 

https://www.vikings.com/news/stefon-diggs-gives-back-through-gaming

 

There's more if you want it...Buffalo and fellow Bills will embrace this man...

[BruceVilanch]

The narrative that he is a problem is crazy to me, the guy complained about the offense and vented on twitter, outside of that he has been an exemplary professional. He does tons for his community and has had zero concerns outside of bitching about cousins and the offense. 

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, The Red King said:

So, the Diggs signing left me wondering about the Bills' culture.  When McBeane took over, we had culture like the kind you find in petri dishes.  They began the slow and painful process of turning things around.  Players were purged, and others brought in, and always the question was, how well did they fit the culture McBeane was trying to create.  A key point was, what impact could this player have on the culture?  Were you a "Process" player or not?  And it seems to be working.  Just listening to the players makes it clear.

 

Diggs does not fit that mode.  His squabbles with the Vikes show that.  Two, three years ago he wouldn't have matched the image of a process player.

 

So, have they turned a corner?  Is Buffalo's culture now strong enough that we can move from asking what a player can do for the culture, and instead ask what the culture can do for the player, in a similar (but lesser) manner to New England?

The reality is this is football,  high motor guys only get you so far.  You need guys with talent

[gjv001]

I think Diggs will fill in very nicely. He a highly talented dedicated hard working Pro that plays with a chip on his shoulder. Sound familiar?

[mjt328]

Despite the narrative around here, Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott aren't trying to build a team full of church-going boy scouts.  They never have.

The Bills have embraced players with strong, vocal and outgoing personalities (Tre White, Jordan Phillips, Dion Dawkins).  The front office has also stood by players with both on-the-field and off-the-field incidents (such as Josh Allen, LeSean McCoy and Zay Jones).

 

Most teams value character to a certain extent, and the ones who don't usually regret it.  There is a reason Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon aren't on NFL teams.  The teams who kept giving them chances ended up getting burned, and eventually everyone stopped believing they were worth the headache.

 

Beane/McDermott believe that in addition to talent and skill, it's important for players to match: A) Their scheme/system and B) Fit into the locker room.  They value players who put in the work, and desire to win games more than rack up stats.  It's a stark contrast against Doug Whaley, who believed in just grabbing the most talented guys available, and worrying about how they actually fit later.  

 

 

[ThurmasThoman]

From a managers perspective, a "culture" doesn't mean you're only looking for one type of individual. Quite the opposite. 

You WANT individuals who toe the line, and those who are rough around the edges. You want those who are quiet, and those who are outspoken. You want those who see things one way, and those who have a different perspective. Think of all of the players on a team as crayons in that big Crayola box. 

The culture IS the big Crayola box. It gets everyone together, in their proper place, with their tips up (pause), so they can be used to the best of their ability.

Now, some of those crayons are older, worn down, the label is peeling off, and you debate getting a new one and wonder why you have such a worn down crayon at one of your primary colors... like Frank Gore being the red crayon.

Some, like white crayons, are very rarely used but people swear they're amazing if you use them in the right situation, like on black paper.... like Duke Williams.

Some crayons just pop off the paper, like the gold crayon, but most people don't make drawings with a lot of gold in them, just like they don't lateral the ball to their teammates while being tackled in the fourth quarter of a playoff game at midfield, and some of those drawings with a lot of gold turn out terrible, but you just know if you can make that drawing work one day you're going to be looking at a masterpiece.

Some crayons, like the neon ones, look so cool and you're so excited to use them that they snap in half and you need to tape them back together and tread lightly the next time you draw with them and make sure they dont break again, but once you see its fine youre gonna use the ***** out of it because youve been waiting since you bought the box to use it, like Harrison Phillips.

Diggs? He's like a special kind of crayon. Maybe the kind you dip in water first. We've heard about the crayon box he came from, but we think we have a use for him here. But he's gotta fit into our box (thats what she said.) If he does, awesome. We're going to be making our gold paper wet in his little corner and adding some faux water color to the gold and neon masterpiece. If he doesn't, we throw it out and get a new crayon to replace him, as we realize it doesn't fit in with our vision.

We're drawing a new picture every week baby, and putting them on display. 

McD? He's the artiste. He's drawing the picture every week, picking what colors to use and when.

Before McD?

We were the dumpy box of crayons at a poor kids preschool. All jumbled up, some REALLY NICE EXPENSIVE crayons, with a lot of broken, cheap ones that look like Crayola knockoffs but are more wax than color. 

There was no culture, there was no organization. 

Remember Mario? That was like getting a massive, comically large crayon that costs more than a box of crayons themselves, and should only be used to sign fake novelty checks for laughs. And trying to jam it in our crayon box.

Crayon box bro. Crayon Box Culture.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

They have created a winning culture. Something Buffalo has not had in a very long time. So yes the culture has finally changed. 

 

 

[KGun12TD]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

You obviously haven’t done your homework. He’s excellent with community work, and an extremely hard worker. Zero run ins with the law. Long & short if it, he and Cousins didn’t get along. 

Read, son.

 

 

Thank you for this...Diggs got a bad rap cause he wanted to be a part of the offense...is that a bad thing? UGh!

[Punching Bag]

 

I hope Bills internal leadership is strong enough to keep him from holding out if he does not like game plan or number of catches. 

I also Bills fans will not bash front office as some Vikings fans did for using tools to punish players who express dissatisifaction in way that hurts team.

 

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Diggs showed signs of visible frustration last season, which boiled over following a Week 4 loss at Chicago. The wide receiver was fined $200,000 for unexcused absences from practices and team meetings the next week. The star wide receiver said then that he hadn't "communicated anything" in regard to requesting a trade but that there was "truth to all rumors" amid the assumption that he was unhappy with the state of the Vikings' offense, which had shifted toward a run-first approach, and his role within it.

 

[CountDorkula]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

So, the Diggs signing left me wondering about the Bills' culture.  When McBeane took over, we had culture like the kind you find in petri dishes.  They began the slow and painful process of turning things around.  Players were purged, and others brought in, and always the question was, how well did they fit the culture McBeane was trying to create.  A key point was, what impact could this player have on the culture?  Were you a "Process" player or not?  And it seems to be working.  Just listening to the players makes it clear.

 

Diggs does not fit that mode.  His squabbles with the Vikes show that.  Two, three years ago he wouldn't have matched the image of a process player.

 

So, have they turned a corner?  Is Buffalo's culture now strong enough that we can move from asking what a player can do for the culture, and instead ask what the culture can do for the player, in a similar (but lesser) manner to New England?

 

Diggs did not have squabbles with the Vikings.

 

He stated that his QB folded in big moments, which is absolutely true.

 

One of those so called squabbles is Diggs trying to encourage his QB to "Play your F**** game, be you, Play the way you F**** can" 

 

What a horrible guy.

[Hardhatharry]

I think this thread can be closed b/c the OP isnt gonna post in here again.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Hardhatharry

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

The narrative that he is a problem is crazy to me, the guy complained about the offense and vented on twitter, outside of that he has been an exemplary professional. He does tons for his community and has had zero concerns outside of bitching about cousins and the offense. 

 

Apparently he trashes DB's so bad in training camp that they start fights with him...will be fun to see White on Diggs in practices...

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

53 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

From a managers perspective, a "culture" doesn't mean you're only looking for one type of individual. Quite the opposite. 

You WANT individuals who toe the line, and those who are rough around the edges. You want those who are quiet, and those who are outspoken. You want those who see things one way, and those who have a different perspective. Think of all of the players on a team as crayons in that big Crayola box. 

The culture IS the big Crayola box. It gets everyone together, in their proper place, with their tips up (pause), so they can be used to the best of their ability.

Now, some of those crayons are older, worn down, the label is peeling off, and you debate getting a new one and wonder why you have such a worn down crayon at one of your primary colors... like Frank Gore being the red crayon.

Some, like white crayons, are very rarely used but people swear they're amazing if you use them in the right situation, like on black paper.... like Duke Williams.

Some crayons just pop off the paper, like the gold crayon, but most people don't make drawings with a lot of gold in them, just like they don't lateral the ball to their teammates while being tackled in the fourth quarter of a playoff game at midfield, and some of those drawings with a lot of gold turn out terrible, but you just know if you can make that drawing work one day you're going to be looking at a masterpiece.

Some crayons, like the neon ones, look so cool and you're so excited to use them that they snap in half and you need to tape them back together and tread lightly the next time you draw with them and make sure they dont break again, but once you see its fine youre gonna use the ***** out of it because youve been waiting since you bought the box to use it, like Harrison Phillips.

Diggs? He's like a special kind of crayon. Maybe the kind you dip in water first. We've heard about the crayon box he came from, but we think we have a use for him here. But he's gotta fit into our box (thats what she said.) If he does, awesome. We're going to be making our gold paper wet in his little corner and adding some faux water color to the gold and neon masterpiece. If he doesn't, we throw it out and get a new crayon to replace him, as we realize it doesn't fit in with our vision.

We're drawing a new picture every week baby, and putting them on display. 

McD? He's the artiste. He's drawing the picture every week, picking what colors to use and when.

Before McD?

We were the dumpy box of crayons at a poor kids preschool. All jumbled up, some REALLY NICE EXPENSIVE crayons, with a lot of broken, cheap ones that look like Crayola knockoffs but are more wax than color. 

There was no culture, there was no organization. 

Remember Mario? That was like getting a massive, comically large crayon that costs more than a box of crayons themselves, and should only be used to sign fake novelty checks for laughs. And trying to jam it in our crayon box.

Crayon box bro. Crayon Box Culture.

wonder whatever happened to IEATCRAYONZ?

[T master]

I like his talent but the dude seems to resemble AB a awful lot i just hope thats not true I get that the really good ones have ego's i just hope this guy isn't a pain in the Bills ass they don't need that & anything i've seen or read on this player is he looks as if he can be that guy .

 

I think when we see his reaction to the trade will be a tell all usually you can't hide your true feelings in front of a camera .

[Dablitzkrieg]

Do something me research before posting please people.  This guy is amazing in the community

[Sherlock Holmes]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

So, the Diggs signing left me wondering about the Bills' culture.  When McBeane took over, we had culture like the kind you find in petri dishes.  They began the slow and painful process of turning things around.  Players were purged, and others brought in, and always the question was, how well did they fit the culture McBeane was trying to create.  A key point was, what impact could this player have on the culture?  Were you a "Process" player or not?  And it seems to be working.  Just listening to the players makes it clear.

 

Diggs does not fit that mode.  His squabbles with the Vikes show that.  Two, three years ago he wouldn't have matched the image of a process player.

 

So, have they turned a corner?  Is Buffalo's culture now strong enough that we can move from asking what a player can do for the culture, and instead ask what the culture can do for the player, in a similar (but lesser) manner to New England?

This is like saying Thielen isn't a process guy because they both were frustrated with Cousins