Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 Jerry Rice 4.71 So what? Players were generally slower back then....and are much faster now? 12 players ran sub 4.40 40's that year. 5 of them were DBs. The next year 19 guys ran sub 4.4, 13 were DBs. Last year, only 13 guys were under 4.4. Fitzgerald built a HOF career roasting all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Lurker said: Fixed... That's fair. Higgins did pretty much match DeAndre Hopkins in terms of athleticism as well as some of his advanced metrics though (and I'm sure some other talented WRs as well). I'll understand if people are scared off by his vert and stuff but to me, if you liked Higgins as a prospect before or were hesitant only due to thinking he might be 4.6-4.7 speed, you should still like him now. If you think we just need a different type of WR, someone that makes their living more on underneath routes and creating yards after the catch, that's fine too. Higgins is better in terms of YAC than he gets credit for, but he's certainly not the kind of quick twitch athlete that someone like Ruggs is for example. Ultimately I think it comes down to what you think Buffalo needs in the WR room. For me, I think we need a guy that can take a screen pass, juke a bunch of people, and bust out a 40 yard gain, and I also think we need a red zone target/one more vertical threat. We should be drafting two WRs in this class IMO, one to address each of those needs (or if you get lucky, you can get a guy that fills both those needs too). Higgins undoubtedly is an option to address the latter need IMO. Edited March 13, 2020 by DCOrange 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I would be happy with him at 22. Every football player is going to get "dinged", but he's not injury prone, at all. He's played in every game the past 2 years. I don't agree with the "dropsies" claim, he has really good hands and catches some tough balls. Very good at the high point catch and will fight for the ball. I've watched roughly 12 Clemson games over the last 2 years and he stands out. He's open plenty from the games I've watched and has YAC ability. He's everything we were clamoring for that Duke can't deliver. He would be a pretty good compliment to Brown, Beasley and Knox/Kroft. That's a lot of weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Lurker said: What about his 31" vertical and 123" long jump? Pretty pedestrian, even against the other tall WRs at the combine... Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD Vertical▼ BenchReps Broad Jump 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan College Stats 6-2 212 4.48 44.5 139 2 2020 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama College Stats 5-11 188 4.27 42.0 131 3 2020 Jalen Reagor WR TCU College Stats 5-11 206 4.47 42.0 17 138 7.31 4.46 4 2020 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame College Stats 6-4 238 4.42 40.5 19 126 5 2020 Chris Finke WR Notre Dame College Stats 5-9 186 4.57 40.0 7 6 2020 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State College Stats 6-0 205 4.50 40.0 11 128 7 2020 Tyrie Cleveland WR Florida College Stats 6-2 209 4.46 39.5 13 126 8 2020 Denzel Mims WR Baylor College Stats 6-3 207 4.38 38.5 16 131 6.66 4.43 9 2020 John Hightower WR Boise St. College Stats 6-1 189 4.43 38.5 122 7.07 4.21 10 2020 Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin College Stats 6-1 202 4.73 38.5 23 124 7.20 4.33 11 2020 Joe Reed WR Virginia College Stats 6-0 224 4.47 38.0 21 123 12 2020 Marquez Callaway WR Tennessee College Stats 6-1 205 4.55 38.0 126 13 2020 K.J. Osborn WR Miami College Stats 5-11 203 4.48 37.5 18 123 7.00 4.35 14 2020 Justin Jefferson WR LSU College Stats 6-1 202 4.43 37.5 126 15 2020 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane College Stats 5-10 176 4.38 37.0 9 124 16 2020 Jeff Thomas WR Miami College Stats 5-9 170 4.45 36.5 125 17 2020 Freddie Swain WR Florida College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 36.5 16 124 7.05 4.26 18 2020 Michael Pittman WR USC College Stats 6-4 223 4.52 36.5 13 121 6.96 4.14 19 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon St. College Stats 6-4 210 4.61 36.5 9 124 7.01 4.12 20 2020 Quez Watkins WR Southern Miss College Stats 6-0 185 4.35 36.5 125 7.28 4.36 21 2020 Malcolm Perry WR Navy College Stats 5-9 186 4.63 36.0 10 122 7.12 4.31 22 2020 Dezmon Patmon WR Washington St. College Stats 6-4 225 4.48 36.0 15 132 7.28 4.38 23 2020 Trishton Jackson WR Syracuse College Stats 6-1 197 4.50 36.0 117 24 2020 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty College Stats 6-4 223 4.60 36.0 22 127 7.33 4.55 25 2020 Omar Bayless WR Arkansas State College Stats 6-1 212 4.62 36.0 11 123 7.35 4.50 26 2020 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6-2 198 4.45 36.0 121 7.28 4.62 27 2020 Cody White WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-3 217 4.66 35.5 120 7.19 4.52 28 2020 Kendrick Rogers WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-4 208 4.51 35.5 17 124 7.13 4.48 29 2020 Devin Duvernay WR Texas College Stats 5-10 200 4.39 35.5 123 7.13 4.20 30 2020 Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-1 201 4.54 35.5 31 2020 Darrell Stewart WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-0 212 35.0 15 117 32 2020 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama College Stats 6-1 193 4.45 35.0 120 4.53 33 2020 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis College Stats 6-0 228 4.39 35.0 16 118 34 2020 Gabriel Davis WR UCF College Stats 6-2 216 4.54 35.0 14 124 7.08 4.59 35 2020 Ben Victor WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-4 198 4.60 35.0 9 128 7.10 36 2020 James Proche WR SMU College Stats 5-11 201 34.5 20 7.27 4.40 37 2020 CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma College Stats 6-2 198 4.50 34.5 11 124 38 2020 Stephen Guidry WR Mississippi St. College Stats 6-3 201 4.47 34.0 125 7.31 4.46 39 2020 Aaron Fuller WR Washington College Stats 5-11 188 4.59 34.0 118 7.14 40 2020 Tony Brown WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 198 4.65 33.5 14 119 7.21 4.27 41 2020 Juwan Johnson WR Oregon College Stats 6-4 230 4.58 33.0 14 124 6.94 4.37 42 2020 K.J. Hill WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-0 196 4.60 32.5 17 114 43 2020 Kalija Lipscomb WR Vanderbilt College Stats 6-0 207 4.57 32.0 16 127 44 2020 Austin Mack WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 208 4.59 31.5 117 4.42 45 2020 Jauan Jennings WR Tennessee College Stats 6-3 215 4.72 29.0 119 46 2020 Aaron Parker WR Rhode Island 6-2 209 4.57 26.5 12 112 6.94 4.23 47 2020 Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 227 4.58 17 48 2020 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota College Stats 6-1 206 49 2020 Collin Johnson WR Texas College Stats 6-6 222 17 50 2020 Van Jefferson WR Florida College Stats 6-1 200 51 2020 Tee Higgins WR Clemson College Stats 6-4 216 52 2020 KJ Hamler WR Penn St. College Stats 5-9 178 15 53 2020 Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina College Stats 6-3 212 54 2020 Lawrence Cager WR Georgia College Stats 6-5 220 55 2020 Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky College Stats 5-11 204 13 Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD Vertical BenchReps Broad Jump▼ 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan College Stats 6-2 212 4.48 44.5 139 2 2020 Jalen Reagor WR TCU College Stats 5-11 206 4.47 42.0 17 138 7.31 4.46 3 2020 Dezmon Patmon WR Washington St. College Stats 6-4 225 4.48 36.0 15 132 7.28 4.38 4 2020 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama College Stats 5-11 188 4.27 42.0 131 5 2020 Denzel Mims WR Baylor College Stats 6-3 207 4.38 38.5 16 131 6.66 4.43 6 2020 Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State College Stats 6-0 205 4.50 40.0 11 128 7 2020 Ben Victor WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-4 198 4.60 35.0 9 128 7.10 8 2020 Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty College Stats 6-4 223 4.60 36.0 22 127 7.33 4.55 9 2020 Kalija Lipscomb WR Vanderbilt College Stats 6-0 207 4.57 32.0 16 127 10 2020 Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame College Stats 6-4 238 4.42 40.5 19 126 11 2020 Tyrie Cleveland WR Florida College Stats 6-2 209 4.46 39.5 13 126 12 2020 Marquez Callaway WR Tennessee College Stats 6-1 205 4.55 38.0 126 13 2020 Justin Jefferson WR LSU College Stats 6-1 202 4.43 37.5 126 14 2020 Jeff Thomas WR Miami College Stats 5-9 170 4.45 36.5 125 15 2020 Quez Watkins WR Southern Miss College Stats 6-0 185 4.35 36.5 125 7.28 4.36 16 2020 Stephen Guidry WR Mississippi St. College Stats 6-3 201 4.47 34.0 125 7.31 4.46 17 2020 Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin College Stats 6-1 202 4.73 38.5 23 124 7.20 4.33 18 2020 Darnell Mooney WR Tulane College Stats 5-10 176 4.38 37.0 9 124 19 2020 Freddie Swain WR Florida College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 36.5 16 124 7.05 4.26 20 2020 Isaiah Hodgins WR Oregon St. College Stats 6-4 210 4.61 36.5 9 124 7.01 4.12 21 2020 Kendrick Rogers WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-4 208 4.51 35.5 17 124 7.13 4.48 22 2020 Gabriel Davis WR UCF College Stats 6-2 216 4.54 35.0 14 124 7.08 4.59 23 2020 CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma College Stats 6-2 198 4.50 34.5 11 124 24 2020 Juwan Johnson WR Oregon College Stats 6-4 230 4.58 33.0 14 124 6.94 4.37 25 2020 Joe Reed WR Virginia College Stats 6-0 224 4.47 38.0 21 123 26 2020 K.J. Osborn WR Miami College Stats 5-11 203 4.48 37.5 18 123 7.00 4.35 27 2020 Omar Bayless WR Arkansas State College Stats 6-1 212 4.62 36.0 11 123 7.35 4.50 28 2020 Devin Duvernay WR Texas College Stats 5-10 200 4.39 35.5 123 7.13 4.20 29 2020 John Hightower WR Boise St. College Stats 6-1 189 4.43 38.5 122 7.07 4.21 30 2020 Malcolm Perry WR Navy College Stats 5-9 186 4.63 36.0 10 122 7.12 4.31 31 2020 Michael Pittman WR USC College Stats 6-4 223 4.52 36.5 13 121 6.96 4.14 32 2020 Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6-2 198 4.45 36.0 121 7.28 4.62 33 2020 Cody White WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-3 217 4.66 35.5 120 7.19 4.52 34 2020 Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama College Stats 6-1 193 4.45 35.0 120 4.53 35 2020 Tony Brown WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 198 4.65 33.5 14 119 7.21 4.27 36 2020 Jauan Jennings WR Tennessee College Stats 6-3 215 4.72 29.0 119 37 2020 Antonio Gibson WR Memphis College Stats 6-0 228 4.39 35.0 16 118 38 2020 Aaron Fuller WR Washington College Stats 5-11 188 4.59 34.0 118 7.14 39 2020 Trishton Jackson WR Syracuse College Stats 6-1 197 4.50 36.0 117 40 2020 Darrell Stewart WR Michigan St. College Stats 6-0 212 35.0 15 117 41 2020 Austin Mack WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 208 4.59 31.5 117 4.42 42 2020 K.J. Hill WR Ohio St. College Stats 6-0 196 4.60 32.5 17 114 43 2020 Aaron Parker WR Rhode Island 6-2 209 4.57 26.5 12 112 6.94 4.23 44 2020 Chris Finke WR Notre Dame College Stats 5-9 186 4.57 40.0 7 45 2020 Quartney Davis WR Texas A&M College Stats 6-1 201 4.54 35.5 46 2020 James Proche WR SMU College Stats 5-11 201 34.5 20 7.27 4.40 47 2020 Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado College Stats 6-1 227 4.58 17 48 2020 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota College Stats 6-1 206 49 2020 Collin Johnson WR Texas College Stats 6-6 222 17 50 2020 Van Jefferson WR Florida College Stats 6-1 200 51 2020 Tee Higgins WR Clemson College Stats 6-4 216 52 2020 KJ Hamler WR Penn St. College Stats 5-9 178 15 53 2020 Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina College Stats 6-3 212 54 2020 Lawrence Cager WR Georgia College Stats 6-5 220 55 2020 Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky College Stats 5-11 204 13 Not that this is determinative of what sort of player that he will become but I do think it points to that he isn't a quick twitch sort of an athlete that will be able to explode in and out of breaks. With that said, from everything that I've seen from him I never thought that to begin with, he seems more like a silky smooth, long striding technician. His top end speed is good enough to be a deep threat and even though he isn't much of a jumper, his height automatically gives him an edge on some jump ball opportunities. I think this workout ends up being a net plus for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Magox said: Not that this is determinative of what sort of player that he will become but I do think it points to that he isn't a quick twitch sort of an athlete that will be able to explode in and out of breaks. With that said, from everything that I've seen from him I never thought that to begin with, he seems more like a silky smooth, long striding technician. His top end speed is good enough to be a deep threat and even though he isn't much of a jumper, his height automatically gives him an edge on some jump ball opportunities. I think this workout ends up being a net plus for him. Many people point to how good he is at high pointing the ball. With a 31" vertical, that's going to be problematic at the next level, IMO. Just for chuckles, here are the vertical results for this year's CB class from the combine. Quite a few of the DB's he'll be going up against (certainly beyond just this list) have no problem out-leaping him. So even with his 6'4" height advantage, he'll be heavily contesting those jump balls at the next level. My biggest problem with Higgins is I don't think he's worthy of pick #22. Somewhere in the #35-40 range, fine. That's another matter... Rk Year Player Pos Age AV School College Height Wt 40YD Vertical▼ BenchReps Broad Jump 3Cone Shuttle Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 1 2020 Jeff Okudah CB Ohio St. College Stats 6-1 205 4.48 41.0 11 135 2 2020 Harrison Hand CB Temple College Stats 5-11 197 4.52 41.0 14 133 7.15 4.27 3 2020 Kindle Vildor CB Georgia Southern College Stats 5-10 191 4.44 39.5 22 133 7.14 4.28 4 2020 Essang Bassey CB Wake Forest College Stats 5-9 191 4.46 39.5 12 128 6.95 4.13 5 2020 C.J. Henderson CB Florida College Stats 6-1 204 4.39 37.5 20 127 6 2020 Jeff Gladney CB TCU College Stats 5-10 191 4.48 37.5 17 124 7.26 7 2020 Noah Igbinoghene CB Auburn College Stats 5-10 198 4.48 37.0 15 128 8 2020 John Reid CB Penn St. College Stats 5-10 187 4.49 36.5 20 129 6.95 3.97 9 2020 Jaylon Johnson CB Utah College Stats 6-0 193 4.50 36.5 15 124 7.01 4.13 10 2020 Lamar Jackson CB Nebraska College Stats 6-2 208 4.58 36.5 10 122 11 2020 Michael Ojemudia CB Iowa College Stats 6-1 200 4.45 36.0 122 6.87 4.21 12 2020 Reggie Robinson III CB Tulsa College Stats 6-1 205 4.44 36.0 22 132 7.09 4.18 13 2020 BoPete Keyes CB Tulane College Stats 6-1 202 36.0 126 14 2020 Troy Pride CB Notre Dame College Stats 5-11 193 4.40 35.5 13 119 6.94 4.26 15 2020 Kristian Fulton CB LSU College Stats 6-0 197 4.46 35.5 123 6.94 4.36 16 2020 Javaris Davis CB Auburn College Stats 5-8 183 4.39 35.5 11 124 17 2020 Dane Jackson CB Pittsburgh College Stats 6-0 187 4.57 35.0 122 7.07 4.27 18 2020 Nevelle Clarke CB UCF College Stats 6-1 190 35.0 10 126 6.88 4.31 19 2020 A.J. Terrell CB Clemson College Stats 6-1 195 4.42 34.5 15 129 20 2020 Cameron Dantzler CB Mississippi St. College Stats 6-2 188 4.64 34.5 21 2020 Stantley Thomas-Oliver CB Florida International College Stats 6-0 192 4.48 34.0 127 22 2020 James Pierre CB Florida Atlantic College Stats 6-0 183 4.59 33.5 123 7.02 23 2020 Grayland Arnold CB Baylor College Stats 5-9 186 4.59 33.0 12 120 7.01 4.30 24 2020 Myles Bryant CB Washington College Stats 5-8 183 4.62 31.5 115 6.81 4.02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dopey said: I would be happy with him at 22. Every football player is going to get "dinged", but he's not injury prone, at all. He's played in every game the past 2 years. I don't agree with the "dropsies" claim, he has really good hands and catches some tough balls. Very good at the high point catch and will fight for the ball. I've watched roughly 12 Clemson games over the last 2 years and he stands out. He's open plenty from the games I've watched and has YAC ability. He's everything we were clamoring for that Duke can't deliver. He would be a pretty good compliment to Brown, Beasley and Knox/Kroft. That's a lot of weapons. When has he even been dinged up? I don’t get this narrative. He’s not the perfect prospect but of anything he could be criticized for that’s been an odd one that keeps coming up (not from you) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: When has he even been dinged up? I don’t get this narrative. He’s not the perfect prospect but of anything he could be criticized for that’s been an odd one that keeps coming up (not from you) That and that he has drop issues are two very weird narratives. Played in 15 games back to back years. In those years out of 120 catchable balls, Higgins dropped six... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: When has he even been dinged up? I don’t get this narrative. He’s not the perfect prospect but of anything he could be criticized for that’s been an odd one that keeps coming up (not from you) The anti Tee Higgins crew is a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: That's fair. Higgins did pretty much match DeAndre Hopkins in terms of athleticism as well as some of his advanced metrics though (and I'm sure some other talented WRs as well). I'll understand if people are scared off by his vert and stuff but to me, if you liked Higgins as a prospect before or were hesitant only due to thinking he might be 4.6-4.7 speed, you should still like him now. If you think we just need a different type of WR, someone that makes their living more on underneath routes and creating yards after the catch, that's fine too. Higgins is better in terms of YAC than he gets credit for, but he's certainly not the kind of quick twitch athlete that someone like Ruggs is for example. Ultimately I think it comes down to what you think Buffalo needs in the WR room. For me, I think we need a guy that can take a screen pass, juke a bunch of people, and bust out a 40 yard gain, and I also think we need a red zone target/one more vertical threat. We should be drafting two WRs in this class IMO, one to address each of those needs (or if you get lucky, you can get a guy that fills both those needs too). Higgins undoubtedly is an option to address the latter need IMO. The vertical guy/redzone big guy should simply be your TE or a WR4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: The anti Tee Higgins crew is a thing. I’m trying to figure out when it all started and why. I’m not even pro or anti Higgins. He’s one of the better WRs in the draft but I’m not banging the table either way. Just confused by the narrative. Edited March 13, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m trying to figure out when it all started and why. I’m not even pro or anti Higgins. He’s one of the better WRs in the draft but I’m not banging the table either way. Just confused by the narrative. My take is there are two contingents on TSW: One who see him as the 4th best WR in this class and want to use pick #22 to get him, no matter what. And a second group who think picking him at #22 would be a reach/over-drafting based on need rather than best player available at that slot. There may even be a third group, who just don't like him as a player or fit for the Bills. Or a fourth, made up of Clemson fanboys who say he's the best thing since sliced bread. So many opinions, so little time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: The vertical guy/redzone big guy should simply be your TE or a WR4 He seems like more than that? I’m no expert just going off the draft analysts https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/tee-higgins/knG9wYzgiV Summary - Tee Higgins projects as a stereotypical X-receiver at the NFL level. With sneaky vertical speed, excellent ball skills and a large catch radius, Higgins brings physical play to the WR position and projects well into vertical offenses. Higgins' lack of short area crispness will temper his value in certain schemes, so playing him in a role and offense that will task him to run deeper routes and stack defensive backs quickly at the LOS is key to him reaching his ceiling as a pro prospect. 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: My take is there are two contingents on TSW: One who see him as the 4th best WR in this class and want to use pick #22 to get him, no matter what. And a second group who think picking him at #22 would be a reach/over-drafting based on need rather than best player available at that slot. There may even be a third group, who just don't like him as a player or fit for the Bills. Or a fourth, made up of Clemson fanboys who say he's the best thing since sliced bread. So many opinions, so little time... I’m not really focused on the draft slot. That could change. But I liken him to a 2nd rd pick given the draft talent as a whole. Edited March 13, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m trying to figure out when it all started and why. I’m not even pro or anti Higgins. He’s one of the better WRs in the draft but I’m not banging the table either way. Just confused by the narrative. The National Championship. That's when a lot of folks saw him for the first and only time, and he went out with a ding on his already slender frame. I dont necessarily agree with it, but that's what/when started all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 With the questions surrounding him and how the WR draft class is universally viewed as excellent, I can’t see Higgins going in the 1st round. Nobody is gonna reach for a WR in 1st round when there’s so many good ones you could still get later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He seems like more than that? I’m no expert just going off the draft analysts https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/tee-higgins/knG9wYzgiV Summary - Tee Higgins projects as a stereotypical X-receiver at the NFL level. With sneaky vertical speed, excellent ball skills and a large catch radius, Higgins brings physical play to the WR position and projects well into vertical offenses. Higgins' lack of short area crispness will temper his value in certain schemes, so playing him in a role and offense that will task him to run deeper routes and stack defensive backs quickly at the LOS is key to him reaching his ceiling as a pro prospect. I’m not really focused on the draft slot. That could change. But I liken him to a 2nd rd pick given the draft talent as a whole. we are not a veritcal offense, we want josh to get rid of the ball in under 2.5 serconds and we play a very versatile scheme. What I am saying is the big WR who is open when he is even voered is not a full time player that fiuts our scheme, a Big guy who is open when he is even covered fits a TE or a WR4 better for our offense than a guy who will be over drafted at pick#22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: we are not a veritcal offense, we want josh to get rid of the ball in under 2.5 serconds and we play a very versatile scheme. What I am saying is the big WR who is open when he is even voered is not a full time player that fiuts our scheme, a Big guy who is open when he is even covered fits a TE or a WR4 better for our offense than a guy who will be over drafted at pick#22 This has been discussed a lot including at least one podcast by joe Marino about comparing him and Shenault for the offense and how Higgins isn’t as good of a fit. He also brought up though that we don’t know how he would be utilized until he is here (if he is here) because we haven’t had a WR like him with that skill set, his sure hands and catch radius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 Jerry Rice 4.71 Not true. Gill Brandt and Bill Walsh had Rice in high 4.5's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: we are not a veritcal offense, we want josh to get rid of the ball in under 2.5 serconds and we play a very versatile scheme. What I am saying is the big WR who is open when he is even voered is not a full time player that fiuts our scheme, a Big guy who is open when he is even covered fits a TE or a WR4 better for our offense than a guy who will be over drafted at pick#22 I don’t think we really know that for sure. Daboll’s first year was certainly a vertical based offense. It couldn’t be a part of it in year 2 because of how bad Allen threw the ball down the field throughout the year. The offense is still evolving, as is the QB orchestrating it and all of the skill position guys. Edit: Just for the record, like Yolo, I'm not banging the table for Higgins. I just think he's one of many good options for us at the WR position depending on what Beane/Daboll are looking for. If they want a big guy that can win down the field and be a go-to guy in big situations, he's arguably the best option for that. Edited March 13, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I don’t think we really know that for sure. Daboll’s first year was certainly a vertical based offense. It couldn’t be a part of it in year 2 because of how bad Allen threw the ball down the field throughout the year. The offense is still evolving, as is the QB orchestrating it and all of the skill position guys. Edit: Just for the record, like Yolo, I'm not banging the table for Higgins. I just think he's one of many good options for us at the WR position depending on what Beane/Daboll are looking for. If they want a big guy that can win down the field and be a go-to guy in big situations, he's arguably the best option for that. I think if you look at the playoff game with the 10 targets downfield to Duke, which josh willingly threw up and as I recall they were on target, some of which Duke couldn’t make the play... the Bills are probably simulating what could happen with Higgins there instead and... intrigued. If you line him up with Brown, Beasley and Knox with Devin in the backfield and josh’s ability to run, that’s a ... very interesting scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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