LeGOATski Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: And you can be sarcastic and demand i show you the rule or accept what a former VP of NFL's former VP officiating says. If you want to prove how incorrect i am, you go look up the rule. You literally showed us the rule that says they need to down it if they catch it, lol. Don't want to kneel? Don't catch the ball. Maybe the Texans returner was just confused about the NFL's new kneeling policy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Putin said: So how is this any different then a receiver who drops the ball prematurely/celebrating before crossing the goal line ? Thank you, that's been my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billl said: Well... No points were scored, so it wasn't a scoring play. Houston maintained possession, so there wasn't a turnover. Other than that, spot on. It was ruled a touchdown by the referee on the field. That's the hands raised up signal. All scoring plays and turnovers are subject to replay review courtesy of the 2019 Approved Rule Changes Article 2: ARTICLE 2. REQUEST FOR REVIEW. A Replay Review will be initiated by a member of the Officiating department from a location in the League office or a Replay Official from a Replay Booth comparable to the location of the coaches’ booth or Press Box when the on-field ruling is: (a) a score for either team; (b) an interception; (c) a fumble or backward pass that is recovered by an opponent or goes out of bounds through an opponent’s end zone; (d) a muffed scrimmage kick recovered by the kicking team; (e) after the two-minute warning of each half; (f) throughout any overtime period; and (g) any disqualification of a player.; and (h) any Try attempt (successful or unsuccessful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: Illegal forward pass in the end zone. Safety. Player's intention is irrelevant. Player's lack of knowledge of the rules is irrelevant. Guy running free downfield, in celebration drops the ball and raises his arms before crossing the goal line. It's a fumble, intention doesn't matter. Before the rule change, guy doesn't touch the kickoff and it's rolling freely in the end zone. Kicking team recovers. Touchdown, intention doesn't matter. Quarterback under pressure throws deep up the left sideline. About the time the QB releases the ball, the receiver, having misread the defense breaks off the route and crosses the field. Intentional grounding, intention doesn't matter. Yes, even "intentional" grounding, intention doesn't matter. It was not my intent to grab the facemask while trying to tackle the runner. The intent argument is a poor one. Rules are rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It was ruled a touchdown by the referee on the field. That's the hands raised up signal. All scoring plays and turnovers are subject to replay review courtesy of the 2019 Approved Rule Changes Article 2: ARTICLE 2. REQUEST FOR REVIEW. A Replay Review will be initiated by a member of the Officiating department from a location in the League office or a Replay Official from a Replay Booth comparable to the location of the coaches’ booth or Press Box when the on-field ruling is: (a) a score for either team; (b) an interception; (c) a fumble or backward pass that is recovered by an opponent or goes out of bounds through an opponent’s end zone; (d) a muffed scrimmage kick recovered by the kicking team; (e) after the two-minute warning of each half; (f) throughout any overtime period; and (g) any disqualification of a player.; and (h) any Try attempt (successful or unsuccessful). You're wrong. It was never ruled a touchdown nor a turnover. One referee signaled touchdown, but the head official ruled it a touchback. This happens all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: You literally showed us the rule that says they need to down it if they catch it, lol. Don't want to kneel? Don't catch the ball. Maybe the Texans returner was just confused about the NFL's new kneeling policy... That wasnt quoting the rule book and it was hardly inclusive of what occurred. As i said you can either believe an expert in NFL officiating or use your own unbiased interpretation. If you want to go to the NFL rule book and prove me wrong knock yourself out. I am going to bet the rule book is not inclusive of what acually happened,. No one outside of disgruntled Bill fans cares about this at all so i doubt the NFL rules committee will even address what happened. At some point a thing called common sense should take over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billl said: You're wrong. It was never ruled a touchdown nor a turnover. One referee signaled touchdown, but the head official ruled it a touchback. This happens all the time. Again incorrect. The head referee, indicated by the white hat, is the one closest to the play who signals touchdown. It was ruled a touchback only after discussion amongst replacement referees on the sidelines wearing black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: I still want to know what the replacement officials were doing getting involved with this ruling. To my knowledge they had no business being a part of the game unless another official was injured. Bingo! I was literally SCREAMING at the TV "Who are those guys?"...and "What authority do they have to overrule the Referee in the white hat?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Does the fact that the head official changed his ruling on the play after a 5 minute sideline meeting with backup officials instead of allowing video review figure this mess out make anyone feel better about how this went down? What transpired on this play is completely unprecedented. The natural question is: why didn't they let this go to video review? Its common officiating practice on scoring plays and turnovers to put the whistles away and let the sequence play out followed by video review. Edited March 10, 2020 by Jauronimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Again incorrect. The head referee, indicated by the white hat, is the one closest to the play who signals touchdown. It was ruled a touchback only after discussion amongst replacement referees on the sidelines wearing black. Again...bingo. The refs are NOT there to save players from their own ignorance of the rules. Bills touchdown! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: Does the fact that the head official changed his ruling on the play after a 5 minute sideline meeting with backup officials instead of allowing video review figure this mess out make anyone feel better about how this went down? What transpired on this play is completely unprecedented. This poll now serves as replay assist for the play in question, as NFL procedures were not followed during the actual game. Your participation in this process is noted and appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Again incorrect. The head referee, indicated by the white hat, is the one closest to the play who signals touchdown. It was ruled a touchback only after discussion amongst replacement referees on the sidelines wearing black. I understand how someone could be confused by the way the automatic review process works. All scoring plays and plays resulting in turnovers are reviewed to confirm that they were, in fact, scores/turnovers. Plays in which it was ruled that there was neither a score nor a turnover ARE NOT automatically reviewed to determine whether or not there should have been a score/turnover. It's a little confusing. That said, it's now been spelled out for you very clearly. If you want to throw a tantrum, that's your right, but this is absolutely not an automatic review situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Does the fact that the head official changed his ruling on the play after a 5 minute sideline meeting with backup officials instead of allowing video review figure this mess out make anyone feel better about how this went down? What transpired on this play is completely unprecedented. When a player returns a fumble or interception and drops/spikes the ball before getting into the endzone...it is called a fumble EVERY TIME. Even though everyone knows the player was intending to cross the goal line before dropping the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Mike Pereira, the NFL’s former vice president of officiating, backed up the call being change. “Didn’t see what happened on the touchback in the end zone but even if you don’t down it, tossing the ball to the official or dropping the ball intentionally ends the play,” Pereira wrote on Twitter. “You are deemed to have given yourself up.” I guess i will chose to believe Pereira. Pereira is full of crap and clearly didn't know the rules then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Billl said: I understand how someone could be confused by the way the automatic review process works. All scoring plays and plays resulting in turnovers are reviewed to confirm that they were, in fact, scores/turnovers. Plays in which it was ruled that there was neither a score nor a turnover ARE NOT automatically reviewed to determine whether or not there should have been a score/turnover. It's a little confusing. That said, it's now been spelled out for you very clearly. If you want to throw a tantrum, that's your right, but this is absolutely not an automatic review situation. As stated, once the head referee signals for a Buffalo TD, the ruling on the field of a touchdown can only be overturned on video review. This was a point of emphasis in the NFL this year as to allow for the referees best positioned to make the call, in order to allow them leeway for plays to develop and have replay either confirm or deny the ruling on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: No need to kneel If a ball gets to the end zone and touches the ground, it’s an automatic touchback. There’s no need for a player to pick it up and kneel, or even catch a ball if it’s headed for the end zone and they don’t intend to return it. This is a small time saver, but the goal is to blow a play dead earlier so that unnecessary collisions don’t happen. Under the previous rules, a player could take their time gathering a ball and kneeling while the coverage team and return team blockers still careened toward each other for no reason. You have poor reading comprehension if you think this rule is what happened in Bills game. This rule very clearly states if the kick lands in endzone, not caught and then tossed to hit the ground. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Safety and Buffalo ball. Period. The worst part was the optics of the black clad “extra officials” running onto the field to intervene. Like, if you’re gonna hose us and also try to quash “tHe NfL iS FiXEd!!!” rhetoric, that was a reeeeeally bad way to go about both. Buzz down from the booth and meet on the sidelines, not middle of the field. Bad look all around, especially when you’re essentially making spit up as you go along. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzonzo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: There is NO comparison to dropping a ball in the field of play and a returner in the endzone lobbing the ball to a ref. Get real. But the "common sense" said that Jackson is going to score and he never want to trow the ball until he scores, so this must be called a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billl said: I understand how someone could be confused by the way the automatic review process works. All scoring plays and plays resulting in turnovers are reviewed to confirm that they were, in fact, scores/turnovers. Plays in which it was ruled that there was neither a score nor a turnover ARE NOT automatically reviewed to determine whether or not there should have been a score/turnover. It's a little confusing. That said, it's now been spelled out for you very clearly. If you want to throw a tantrum, that's your right, but this is absolutely not an automatic review situation. I would caveat: THIS specific play was not an automatic review because the head official changed the correct ruling on the field after a 5 minute conference with the backup officials, which is completely unprecedented. And if this play were to have been reviewed the league office would have absolutely have been forced to judge per written rules rather than opine on the intent of the runner. Nope, nothing to see here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Safety and Buffalo ball. Period. The worst part was the optics of the black clad “extra officials” running onto the field to intervene. Like, if you’re gonna hose us and also try to quash “tHe NfL iS FiXEd!!!” rhetoric, that was a reeeeeally bad way to go about both. Buzz down from the booth and meet on the sidelines, not middle of the field. Bad look all around, especially when you’re essentially making spit up as you go along. The huddling and legislating amongst replacement refs who probably aren't allowed to impact the game w/out an injury to one of the game officials was an underreported aspect of this situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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