GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Please answer honestly and to the best of your abilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 After the fact, looking at the interpretations and such, IMO it should have been a safety. With that said, I do not blame the loss on that, nor think anyone went out of the way to screw the Bills over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: After the fact, looking at the interpretations and such, IMO it should have been a safety. With that said, I do not blame the loss on that, nor think anyone went out of the way to screw the Bills over. Noted thank you for your participation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 This is the first I seen a player not taking a knee after catching the ball , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Putin said: This is the first I seen a player not taking a knee after catching the ball , A very astute observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaz Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Everyone I talked to knew he was giving himself up. Did he do it by the rules of the game, no. But the intent was obvious JMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, fl az fan said: Everyone I talked to knew he was giving himself up. Did he do it by the rules of the game, no. But the intent was obvious JMO If I intend to catch a fish but lose it at gaff...have I still caught it? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) I have a question for everyone who says he was "obviously" giving himself up. (I know it wasn't), but what if it was a trick play by Houston... and they had another player come around and scoop up the ball he threw to the ground and ran it back (some distance or the whole way), because our KO team stopped playing. If that happened, do you think they still would have called the ball dead for a touchback? Rules are rules. He didn't follow protocol. Call should have stood as on field. Edited March 10, 2020 by BuffaloBillies 14 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, fl az fan said: Everyone I talked to knew he was giving himself up. Did he do it by the rules of the game, no. But the intent was obvious JMO I just wonder what happens if he is in his "giving up stance", the ref is saying 'no!' and holding his hand up.... and the returner decides to streak up the field and score a touchdown. That could happen, and IMO would count. That is what the fair catch signal and taking a knee are for. To cut the gray area. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 When a fumble goes out of bounds in the end zone, the following shall apply: If a ball is fumbled in the field of play, and goes forward into the opponent’s end zone and over the end line or sideline, a touchback is awarded to the defensive team; or If a ball is fumbled in a team’s own end zone or in the field of play and goes out of bounds in the end zone, it is a safety, if that team provided the impetus that sent the ball into the end zone (See 11-5-1 for exception for momentum). If the impetus was provided by the opponent, it is a touchback. so by rule it should have been a safety. we still should have won the game but those extra 2 points and the ball could have ended things right then and there I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaz Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 If you touched the leader with your hand, yes. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, fl az fan said: Everyone I talked to knew he was giving himself up. Did he do it by the rules of the game, no. But the intent was obvious JMO If the game of football was played based on intent, there would never need to be a game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 So how is this any different then a receiver who drops the ball prematurely/celebrating before crossing the goal line ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Putin said: So how is this any different then a receiver who drops the ball prematurely/celebrating before crossing the goal line ? Right, he "obviously intended" to drop it after crossing the line. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 For further investigation, here is the play in it's entirety: Near the end you can hear Joe Tessitore, renowned football expert and judge of the human condition, exclaim his satisfaction with 'common sense' prevailing. Note: the rule on all turnovers and scoring plays is video replay review to overturn. Additionally, the ruling on the field immediately after the ball is recovered by Jaquan Johnson a touchdown as signaled by the official in the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: Right, he "obviously intended" to drop it after crossing the line. No Absolutely ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I have no idea how it would ever be a safety. It's either a TD or touchback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Illegal forward pass in the end zone. Safety. Player's intention is irrelevant. Player's lack of knowledge of the rules is irrelevant. Guy running free downfield, in celebration drops the ball and raises his arms before crossing the goal line. It's a fumble, intention doesn't matter. Before the rule change, guy doesn't touch the kickoff and it's rolling freely in the end zone. Kicking team recovers. Touchdown, intention doesn't matter. Quarterback under pressure throws deep up the left sideline. About the time the QB releases the ball, the receiver, having misread the defense breaks off the route and crosses the field. Intentional grounding, intention doesn't matter. Yes, even "intentional" grounding, intention doesn't matter. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: I have no idea how it would ever be a safety. It's either a TD or touchback. because its technically an illegal forward pass in the endzone I think which is why it would be considered a safety 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: I have no idea how it would ever be a safety. It's either a TD or touchback. If you listen to the ref, his mic is hot when he starts conversing with the replacement ref in black...he starts saying (I think) 'So we've got an illegal forward pass...' and then he turns off his mic. A penalty by the offense in the endzone is an automatic safety. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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