Bad Things Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I'm afraid to ask, but... is there still normal air travel happening in the US, or are there finally restrictions in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bad Things said: I'm afraid to ask, but... is there still normal air travel happening in the US, or are there finally restrictions in place? Not that I’m aware of. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/31/coronavirus-us-crisis-why-airlines-still-flying/2918233001/ Just recommendations to avoid discretionary travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Not that I’m aware of. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/31/coronavirus-us-crisis-why-airlines-still-flying/2918233001/ Just recommendations to avoid discretionary travel. That's just crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bad Things said: That's just crazy. Yup. We're flying from NY to Phoenix on Thursday. Except of course we aren't. Playing chicken with the airline hoping they'll cancel flight and we'll get a refund instead of having to book another flight by mm/dd/yyyy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SinceThe70s Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: My neighbor owns a scaffolding business. NYC officials reached out to him wrt managing the bodies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) The "Leader of the Free World" on experimental drugs: "It's not going to hurt people," he argued during a press briefing on Sunday. "It can help them, but it's not going to hurt them." “...And they're not expensive. What do you have to lose?" But added this disclaimer: “What do I know, I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense,” https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-touts-chloroquine-for-covid-19-but-dismisses-risks-2020-4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/04/05/trump-again-promotes-experimental-drug-for-coronavirus-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-what-do-i-know-im-not-a-doctor-but-i-have-common-sense/#1eca6b464609 EDIT: I am not against experimental treatments, generally speaking. My point in posting is how aloof this person was with his communications. These are messages that need to be delivered by medical professionals without agendas. Edited April 6, 2020 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) On 4/4/2020 at 8:21 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-coronavirus-cases-dropping-first-171231878.html The number of infections and deaths in New York, the epicentre of the US coronavirus outbreak, is dropping for the first time, officials say. But in a news conference on Sunday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said it is too early to know the data's significance. Hap. was this where you meant? Edited April 6, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Hydroxychloroquine is an “experimental” drug? I thought it’s been around for decades, and is relatively safe (all drugs will have side effects for some people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fauci-warned-of-trump-pandemic-2017-200054359.html Dr. Fauci Warned In 2017 Of ‘Surprise Outbreak’ During Trump Administration Nina Golgowski HuffPostApril 5, 2020, 4:00 PM EDT Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic. “There is no question that there will be a challenge to the coming administration in the arena of infectious diseases,” he said in a speech titled “Pandemic Preparedness in the Next Administration” at Georgetown University Medical Center. He delivered it just days before Trump was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2017. Fauci, who has overseen the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, warned that looming health challenges would involve both chronic diseases ― ones already ongoing ― as well as “a surprise outbreak.” all I can say is consider the source I posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Is this a possibility? Real coronavirus death toll in U.S. is higher than ... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/real... 12 hours ago · As the number of people who died of the coronavirus in the United States gets close to the 10,000 mark, experts warn that the real number is certainly higher. The official death toll fails to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Is this a possibility? Pretty much a certainty, I'm afraid. This is a worldwide issue, not a US specific one. I am aware of one death (two doors down) that is almost certainly COVID19 (guy came back from a holiday in Italy just as this started, developed a fever and cough, died but never even went to the docs). He had not been tested then and it is unlikely he will be soon (if ever) since we also do not have enough tests for our health care workers let alone for those we can do nothing for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: The "Leader of the Free World" on experimental drugs: "It's not going to hurt people," he argued during a press briefing on Sunday. "It can help them, but it's not going to hurt them." “...And they're not expensive. What do you have to lose?" But added this disclaimer: “What do I know, I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense,” https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-touts-chloroquine-for-covid-19-but-dismisses-risks-2020-4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/04/05/trump-again-promotes-experimental-drug-for-coronavirus-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-what-do-i-know-im-not-a-doctor-but-i-have-common-sense/#1eca6b464609 It was interesting how Dr. Fauci wasn’t allowed to answer the question about the potential effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of CoVID-19. That question got shot down in record time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, John in Jax said: Hydroxychloroquine is an “experimental” drug? I thought it’s been around for decades, and is relatively safe (all drugs will have side effects for some people). Every drug is experimental if not prescribed/used as the label indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 12 hours ago, John in Jax said: I'm pretty sure that they are doing that, aren't they? Also, to date, have there been any documented instances of a situation (in the USA) where a ventilator was needed, and not available? No. It's something to watch and I am sure we can all agree that we should make sure that doesn't happen. In 4 years, some journalist is going to show a photo of a warehouse full of PPE and ventilators that looks like the closing scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark. You have to push on for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/05/researchers-warn-that-covid-19-treatment-touted-by-trump-may-be-toxic-when-combined-with-diabetes-drug/#66ef072f55f8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, Brit said: Pretty much a certainty, I'm afraid. This is a worldwide issue, not a US specific one. I am aware of one death (two doors down) that is almost certainly COVID19 (guy came back from a holiday in Italy just as this started, developed a fever and cough, died but never even went to the docs). He had not been tested then and it is unlikely he will be soon (if ever) since we also do not have enough tests for our health care workers let alone for those we can do nothing for. i wonder how much impact this virus has on those who do the autopsies? That is something I have not seen in press. I think this virus should be recognizable in any autopsy from what I read/watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: i wonder how much impact this virus has on those who do the autopsies? That is something I have not seen in press. I think this virus should be recognizable in any autopsy from what I read/watched. Locally, funeral homes are now forbidden from embalming bodies, I assume, because of fear of transmission. You're either getting frozen for later or cremated if you die right now. Edited April 6, 2020 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Is this a possibility? Real coronavirus death toll in U.S. is higher than ... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/real... 12 hours ago · As the number of people who died of the coronavirus in the United States gets close to the 10,000 mark, experts warn that the real number is certainly higher. The official death toll fails to ... OTOH, I've read a LOT of stories over the last few days that said in many US hospitals/morgues they are listing this virus as the cause of death when that's not really the case. I guess we'll just have to wait a few months before we get the "real" numbers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 hours ago, John in Jax said: Hydroxychloroquine is an “experimental” drug? I thought it’s been around for decades, and is relatively safe (all drugs will have side effects for some people). It's an experimental drug for treatment of the covid-19 diseases. There is anecdotal evidence (open, non-blinded, small studies) that it may work, primarily (French study) 92% MILDLY ill people There is a small blinded study of seriously ill patients from China just published that showed no effect. Hydroxycholorquine has side effects ranging from serious to unpleasant. Cardiotoxicity is the most serious. Diarrhea is the most common. If you have really sick people who already have abnormal heart rhythms, this may not be helpful (that's understated). This may be a good place to put this:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html 3 hours ago, Gugny said: The "Leader of the Free World" on experimental drugs: "It's not going to hurt people," he argued during a press briefing on Sunday. "It can help them, but it's not going to hurt them." “...And they're not expensive. What do you have to lose?" But added this disclaimer: “What do I know, I’m not a doctor. But I have common sense,” https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-touts-chloroquine-for-covid-19-but-dismisses-risks-2020-4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/04/05/trump-again-promotes-experimental-drug-for-coronavirus-treatment-hydroxychloroquine-what-do-i-know-im-not-a-doctor-but-i-have-common-sense/#1eca6b464609 EDIT: I am not against experimental treatments, generally speaking. My point in posting is how aloof this person was with his communications. These are messages that need to be delivered by medical professionals without agendas. The problem is that it isn't clear it's not going to hurt people. Chloroquine has a known number of side effects, some serious. You don't want to give it to people on ventilators, unless you know it helps. It also is not in infinite supply right now. I know it won't happen but Trump should say "I'm not a doctor" and stop there. 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: i wonder how much impact this virus has on those who do the autopsies? That is something I have not seen in press. I think this virus should be recognizable in any autopsy from what I read/watched. I would think autopsies would stop for the duration? I'm surprised this doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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