Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[BillsFan4]

Thanks for all you’ve done here at TBD throughout this pandemic Hapless. It’s much appreciated! 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...we as electrical contractors are deemed an essential business under NYS guidelines, operating throughout this......180 electricians in the field......35 people in administration at our corporate office.....have taken every mandated as well as recommended precaution...and not ONE Covid-19 case (knock on wood)....what did we do wrong?.........

[Bad Things]

On 6/14/2020 at 5:07 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You all are willing ignorant and are not worth my time, good day.

 

 

So, you had enough time to come in here and spew your BS, but now need to scurry away because people are calling you out?

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Bad Things

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...we as electrical contractors are deemed an essential business under NYS guidelines, operating throughout this......180 electricians in the field......35 people in administration at our corporate office.....have taken every mandated as well as recommended precaution...and not ONE Covid-19 case (knock on wood)....what did we do wrong?.........

 

Nothing. Distancing, hygiene, and masks make a HUGE difference.

 

Well done. Let's open up!

Edited June 14, 2020 by shoshin

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

34 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Nothing. Distancing, hygiene, and masks make a HUGE difference.

 

Well done. Let's open up!

 

...we have $2,500 of disposable masks in inventory for our workers...and just spent $5,000 more on washable masks as well.....we spent $3,000 on touchless thermometers for field use and outfitted our job sites with complete cleanliness kits including MSDS spec sheets for tool sanitation etc......we are making every effort to ensure the safety our our workers no matter what the cost may be......and will do MORE if necessary.........

[Hapless Bills Fan]

32 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...we have $2,500 of disposable masks in inventory for our workers...and just spent $5,000 more on washable masks as well.....we spent $3,000 on touchless thermometers for field use and outfitted our job sites with complete cleanliness kits including MSDS spec sheets for tool sanitation etc......we are making every effort to ensure the safety our our workers no matter what the cost may be......and will do MORE if necessary.........

 

You guys sound as though you're doing everything right. 

Sounds like our own @Gugny's company is also doing things right - spacing workstations, providing N95 masks, etc.

 

My kid is working at GM's Tonawanda Powertrain this summer.  It is 100% mask wearing facility.  At entry, wear yesterday's mask, space 6' apart on the "yellow brick road" (yellow lines 6' apart); advance to the masking station.  Remove old mask, sanitize hands, don new mask; advance to security station, show badge, get temperature scan.  Wear mask all shift except when eating, socially distanced, in cafeteria (bring own food).

They'll be "doing the experiment" of how well these measures work since they had 3 workers (two security guards and a millworker) diagnosed + with covid-19; it is thought to have been community-acquired.  A lot of workers are apparently upset, but I think if they've been following the procedures and doing what they should, will be OK.  If they've been kiting out for unmasked smoking breaks or wearing their mask like a "blue beard cover", Welp Then.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

58 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You guys sound as though you're doing everything right. 

Sounds like our own @Gugny's company is also doing things right - spacing workstations, providing N95 masks, etc.

 

My kid is working at GM's Tonawanda Powertrain this summer.  It is 100% mask wearing facility.  At entry, wear yesterday's mask, space 6' apart on the "yellow brick road" (yellow lines 6' apart); advance to the masking station.  Remove old mask, sanitize hands, don new mask; advance to security station, show badge, get temperature scan.  Wear mask all shift except when eating, socially distanced, in cafeteria (bring own food).

They'll be "doing the experiment" of how well these measures work since they had 3 workers (two security guards and a millworker) diagnosed + with covid-19; it is thought to have been community-acquired.  A lot of workers are apparently upset, but I think if they've been following the procedures and doing what they should, will be OK.  If they've been kiting out for unmasked smoking breaks or wearing their mask like a "blue beard cover", Welp Then.

 

 

 

...we as a company try to do our best with the best interest of our employees' health and safety as a top priority....we can't get caught up in the political hype as to whether it is or it isn't a hoax, overreaction etc.....I see here from your numerous posts from a scientific community perspective as to how things change regularly, whether for the good or with hesitancy as far as acceptance regarding trials, potential vaccines et al....how your community sorts out the haves and have nots is beyond me or our company.....in the interim, we have decided to err on the side of proactive precaution no matter what the cost is.....we are proud to do so and thankful for our financial wherewithal...

Edited June 14, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Sundancer]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You guys sound as though you're doing everything right. 

Sounds like our own @Gugny's company is also doing things right - spacing workstations, providing N95 masks, etc.

 

My kid is working at GM's Tonawanda Powertrain this summer.  It is 100% mask wearing facility.  At entry, wear yesterday's mask, space 6' apart on the "yellow brick road" (yellow lines 6' apart); advance to the masking station.  Remove old mask, sanitize hands, don new mask; advance to security station, show badge, get temperature scan.  Wear mask all shift except when eating, socially distanced, in cafeteria (bring own food).

They'll be "doing the experiment" of how well these measures work since they had 3 workers (two security guards and a millworker) diagnosed + with covid-19; it is thought to have been community-acquired.  A lot of workers are apparently upset, but I think if they've been following the procedures and doing what they should, will be OK.  If they've been kiting out for unmasked smoking breaks or wearing their mask like a "blue beard cover", Welp Then.

 

 

Anyone who is going out sees a range of compliance, and obviously one messy compliance can make lots of people sick. But when I see many people doing their level best, and when some guy who has never worn a mask before plays with his face covering for 10 seconds because it itches or whatever, I don't lose my mind. If most of us make the effort, even if its imperfect, it will make a difference.

 

And hopefully we can be out of masks soon because I hate 'em too!

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Anyone who is going out sees a range of compliance, and obviously one messy compliance can make lots of people sick. But when I see many people doing their level best, and when some guy who has never worn a mask before plays with his face covering for 10 seconds because it itches or whatever, I don't lose my mind. If most of us make the effort, even if its imperfect, it will make a difference.

 

And hopefully we can be out of masks soon because I hate 'em too!

 

I find my masks uncomfortable, but I'd hate getting sick a lot more

 

What I actually wish is that there were more help available to folks about achieving a good fit with a mask.  There are a lot of little tricks which make the difference between a procedure mask slipping down your shnoz or a good mask not making a proper seal.  But if there's a "Mask Wearing Advanced Level" site that provides said tips, I don't know of it.

[BillsFan4]

 

 Lots more detail in the twitter thread.

Edited June 14, 2020 by BillsFan4

[BillsFan4]

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a32023994/coronavirus-covid-19-new-york-city-er-doctor-cleavon-gilman/

 

“The COVID-19 War Diaries”

 

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Cleavon Gilman, M.D., is an Iraq-war veteran and an emergency-medicine physician in New York City, where he worked through the shocking rise and deadly peak of the COVID-19 coronavirus. Those two experiences—warfare and pandemic—share striking similarities. This is his survival guide, told, in part, through his own words.’

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 6/13/2020 at 10:51 AM, BillsFan4 said:

Here’s a collection of research papers on pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic spread I put together for @Hapless Bills Fan

 

 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001737

SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load in Upper Respiratory Specimens of Infected Patients

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

Transmission of 2019-nCoV Infection from an Asymptomatic Contact in Germany

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/20-0198_article

Potential Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2, Zhejiang Province, China, 2020

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e1.htm

Presymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2, Singapore

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32091386/

Potential Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2, Zhejiang Province, China, 2020

 

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30114-6.pdf

Asymptomatic cases in a family cluster with SARS-CoV-2 infection
 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2001899

Evidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Returning Travelers from Wuhan, China

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32329971/

Presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Transmission in a Skilled Nursing Facility

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7078829/

Estimating the asymptomatic proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Yokohama, Japan, 2020

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e1.htm

Asymptomatic and presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of a long-term care skilled nursing facility, king county WA.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32146694/

Clinical Characteristics of 24 Asymptomatic Infections With COVID-19 Screened Among Close Contacts in Nanjing, China

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html

Covid 19 clinical care guidance (CDC)

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32243729/

The Isolation Period Should Be Longer: Lesson From a Child Infected With SARS-CoV-2 in Chongqing, China

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1684118220301134

A Systematic Review of Asymptomatic Infections With COVID-19

 

 

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Citation/9000/Prolonged_Viral_RNA_Shedding_Duration_in_COVID_19.98280.aspx

 

 

 

Thanks - none of these are the stuff I was looking for, which was be evidence to support the WHO statement about asymptomatic transmission being "rare" - I suppose that's a moot point as she has walked it back and acknowledged evidence does not support that statement.

 

But it's highly valuable stuff and thank you much for doing this!!!!!!

 

Another presymptomatic paper, this time testing surfaces in a quarantine hotel room where two presymptomatic (as it turns out) travelers were assigned to quarantine:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-1435_article

TL;DR :  Two presymptomatic returning travelers had high viral titer upon testing, and corresponding high viral titer was found upon sampling the rooms where they had been assigned to stay for quarantine.

 

They stayed in those rooms <24 hrs before being admitted to hospital, still presymptomatic  (because that's what they do in China when you test positive - you go to a quarantine hospital to avoid infecting other people and to be monitored and treated promptly).   They were asymptomatic upon hospital admission. 

 

Patient A developed symptoms 2 days post admission and Patient B developed symptoms 6 days post admission to hospital.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan4]

New study (looks like it’s peer reviewed)

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/06/10/2009637117

‘Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19’

 

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Significance

We have elucidated the transmission pathways of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) by analyzing the trend and mitigation measures in the three epicenters. Our results show that the airborne transmission route is highly virulent and dominant for the spread of COVID-19. The mitigation measures are discernable from the trends of the pandemic. Our analysis reveals that the difference with and without mandated face covering represents the determinant in shaping the trends of the pandemic. This protective measure significantly reduces the number of infections. Other mitigation measures, such as social distancing implemented in the United States, are insufficient by themselves in protecting the public. Our work also highlights the necessity that sound science is essential in decision-making for the current and future public health pandemics.

 

[BillsFan4]

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/9/20-2272_article

 

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Abstract

We analyzed 3,184 cases of coronavirus disease in Japan and identified 61 case-clusters in healthcare and other care facilities, restaurants and bars, workplaces, and music events. We also identified 22 probable primary case-patients for the clusters; most were 20–39 years of age and presymptomatic or asymptomatic at virus transmission.

 

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We noted many COVID-19 clusters were associated with heavy breathing in close proximity, such as singing at karaoke parties, cheering at clubs, having conversations in bars, and exercising in gymnasiums. Other studies have noted such activities can facilitate clusters of infection (9,10). Japan’s Prime Minister’s Office and the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare announced 3 situations that could increase the risk for COVID-19 cases and advised the population to avoid the “Three Cs”: closed spaces with poor ventilation, crowded places, and close-contact settings (11).

 

Among the probable primary COVID-19 cases we identified from non-nosocomial clusters, half (11/22) were 20–39 years of age, which is younger than the age distribution of all COVID-19 cases in Japan (Figure 2, panel A). We do not know whether social, biological, or both factors play a role in the difference in transmission patterns between the younger and older persons. We also noted probable primary COVID-19 case-patients appear to transmit the virus and generate clusters even in the absence of apparent respiratory symptoms, such as cough.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by BillsFan4

[BillsFan4]

Ezekiel Elliott is one of them (I read 4 total so far).

[BillsFan4]

This was pretty stunning to see. Photo on the left was taken about a month before he got covid 19, and the one on the right was taken after 6 weeks in the hospital.

 

story:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/20/nurse-coronavirus-survivor-before-and-after-nr-keilar-vpx.cnn

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

This was pretty stunning to see. Photo on the left was taken about a month before he got covid 19, and the one on the right was taken after 6 weeks in the hospital.

 

story:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/20/nurse-coronavirus-survivor-before-and-after-nr-keilar-vpx.cnn

 

 

It's just the flu!

[Jrb1979]

They have extended the Canada/U.S. border closure til July 21st. I fully expect it them to keep extending it for awhile. Too many hot spots popping up in many parts of the U.S. that are very concerning. Before anyone goes off on how more testing means higher cases I call bull.

 

Here in Ontario, we have had around 190 new cases a day and been testing over 23000 people a day. I find it hard to understand why cases are rising so high in many states. Is it that most just don't care anymore?

[BillsFan4]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/15/woman-15-friends-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-night-out-at-lynchs/

‘Woman, 15 friends test positive for coronavirus after night out at Lynch’s (bar)”.

 

 

 

[The Dean]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/15/woman-15-friends-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-night-out-at-lynchs/

‘Woman, 15 friends test positive for coronavirus after night out at Lynch’s (bar)”.

 

 

 

 

 

I've been to Lynch's a few times, but not so far this year. It's close to my medical marijuana doctor, so I typically stop for one (maybe two) before the appointment.

 

That's exactly the sort of thing I predicted when they started loosening things up. Despite a (very soft) message to still continue to socially distance and a  (weak)  recommendation to wear masks, the message I believed most people would process is "All's well. They wouldn't allow us to do this if things weren't safe enough."