Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

The concept of 'bulk foods' department in this changed environment had me wondering the future of such operations.  Before entering the local 'Bulk Barn' yesterday, I stopped to read a number of notices and prequalifiers on the doors.  Once satisfied I qualified, a clerk met me at the entrance, garbed in full PPE.  He was the one to select any 'scoopable / baggable' items.  If there were prewrapped items, my disposable gloved hands were free to select these.  The clerk / escort was required to attend with me at all times.  Quite honestly, I thought 'bulk foods' was a dead concept, and in a grocery store setting self serve, it probably is.  This well thought out work by Bulk Barn's operators allows the concept to continue, at least for now.

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I have worked with individuals over the years whose personal hygiene caused all of us to keep our distance, at least now I know they're not digging through the barrel of corn chips.  ?

[BillsFan4]

13 hours ago, K-9 said:

Being prepared for a worst case scenario is a hard fail? After the overrun health care systems we saw in Europe and China earlier on? 

 

 

 

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“As part of our hospital surge, we expanded capacity at a breakneck speed, ensuring our hospital infrastructure would be prepared to handle the very worst. We did so only with a single-minded focus: saving lives,” city spokesperson Avery Cohen told The New York Post. "Over the past few months, social distancing, face coverings, and other precautionary measures have flattened the curve drastically, and we remain squarely focused on taking that progress even further.”

 

What jerks. Spending money to potentially save a bunch of lives and avoid what happened in Italy. They should have just stayed unprepared and ignored the virus as the hospitals in NYC were quickly filling to a dangerous capacity at the time.

That’s what a real leader does, right? 

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

 

 

What jerks. Spending money to potentially save a bunch of lives and avoid what happened in Italy. They should have just stayed unprepared and ignored the virus as the hospitals in NYC were quickly filling to a dangerous capacity at the time.

That’s what a real leader does, right? 

The Monday morning quarterbacking on this pandemic will be unbearable. Baseless, useless, and perhaps even dangerous. 

[The Dean]

40 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The Monday morning quarterbacking on this pandemic will be unbearable. Baseless, useless, and perhaps even dangerous. 

 

 

Remember that the next time McDermott makes a questionable time management move and the Bills end up losing the game.  

Edited May 26, 2020 by The Dean

[BillsFan4]

30 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The Monday morning quarterbacking on this pandemic will be unbearable. Baseless, useless, and perhaps even dangerous. 

 

We haven’t even truly made it through the first wave yet, let alone any potential 2nd wave in the fall (which I pray doesn’t happen). I think it’s a bit too soon to be declaring victory and saying it was wasted money. They’re leaving the field hospital up in case it’s needed.

 

Even if it’s never needed (hopefully that’s the case) I would still rather be prepared than lose a bunch of lives that didn’t have to be lost. The NY Governor was responding based off the projections provided by the CDC & federal coronavirus task force, as well as what was happening in NY at the time.

 

NYC hospitals were being hit hard when this was built. We were 6 days away from running out of ventilators at one point. At harder hit hospitals in NYC, hallways were filled up with patients waiting on rooms (for days at times). Thousands of doctors, nurses + first responders came out of retirement and from out of state to help with the surge. I have a doctor friend who lives/works in NYC and saw it up close.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/war-nyc-doctors-describe-fight-against-coronavirus-cases-surge-n1169521

'This is a war': NYC doctors describe fight against coronavirus as cases surge’

“Our hospital has never, ever, ever seen anything like this,” one doctor said.

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

 

 

What jerks. Spending money to potentially save a bunch of lives and avoid what happened in Italy. They should have just stayed unprepared and ignored the virus as the hospitals in NYC were quickly filling to a dangerous capacity at the time.

That’s what a real leader does, right? 

 

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

The Monday morning quarterbacking on this pandemic will be unbearable. Baseless, useless, and perhaps even dangerous. 

 

There should definitely be an accurate assessment of events. I know that's hard to do. 

 

We were unprepared for a threat we knew was out there since the early 2000s. Instead of spending a reasonable amount of money over time to prepare, we spent much more in a short time to react. $21 mil for a tennis court hospital that didn't get used? Not saying it didn't need to be done, just that it was the result of a total failure, which definitely needs to be assessed in order to prevent future failures.

[bdutton]

[JDHillFan]

16 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Wisconsin reports record number of new coronavirus cases, deaths

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-reports-record-number-coronavirus-160959549.html

 

 

I hope nobody is treated by that nurse from here.

 

[BillsFan4]

https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

Masks help stop the spread of coronavirus – the science is simple and I’m one of 100 experts urging governors to require public mask-wearing

 

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So what is this evidence that has led myself and so many scientists to believe so strongly in masks?

 

The evidence: (continued in link)

 

They give a very strong argument for wearing a mask. Definitely worth reading if you’re one of the people opposed to wearing a mask.

 

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There are numerous studies that suggest if 80% of people wear a mask in public, then COVID-19 transmission could be halted. Until a vaccine or a cure for COVID-19 is discovered, cloth face masks might be the most important tool we currently have to fight the pandemic.

 

Given all of the laboratory and epidemiological evidence, the low cost of wearing masks – which can be made at home with no tools – and the potential to slow COVID-19 transmission with widescale use, policymakers should ensure that everyone wears a mask in public.

 

I truly don’t get the opposition to mask wearing. It’s about all we have right now. If it can allow us to open up and get back to a semi-normal life, why in the world Wouldn’t you wear one? 

Edited May 29, 2020 by BillsFan4

[BillsFan4]

A view on the US coronavirus response from the BBC:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52775216

 

 

[JaCrispy]

Anyone heard any info (or have any thoughts) on what action will be taken by the NFL the first time a player tests positive for covid?

[spartacus]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507

Masks help stop the spread of coronavirus – the science is simple and I’m one of 100 experts urging governors to require public mask-wearing

 

 

They give a very strong argument for wearing a mask. Definitely worth reading if you’re one of the people opposed to wearing a mask.

 

 

I truly don’t get the opposition to mask wearing. It’s about all we have right now. If it can allow us to open up and get back to a semi-normal life, why in the world Wouldn’t you wear one? 

 

The following premise from the article renders the entire analysis meaningless:

"The light-scattering experiment cannot see “micro-droplets” that are smaller than 5 microns and could contain some viral particles. But experts don’t think that these are responsible for much COVID-19 transmission."

 

Covid molecules are .06 to .14 microns. How can you run a test that cannot see the very virus particle you are trying to track. Such "experts" concluding that the virus particle itself is not responsible for transmission is a pretty questionable conclusion.

 

but if it does not fit the mask wearing narrative, then it can't be true

 

[BillsFan4]

29 minutes ago, spartacus said:

 

The following premise from the article renders the entire analysis meaningless:

"The light-scattering experiment cannot see “micro-droplets” that are smaller than 5 microns and could contain some viral particles. But experts don’t think that these are responsible for much COVID-19 transmission."

 

Covid molecules are .06 to .14 microns. How can you run a test that cannot see the very virus particle you are trying to track. Such "experts" concluding that the virus particle itself is not responsible for transmission is a pretty questionable conclusion.

 

but if it does not fit the mask wearing narrative, then it can't be true

 

 

Paragraph right after the one you quoted:

 

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While just how much of a role these small particles play in transmission remains to be seen, recent research suggests that cloth masks are also effective at reducing the spread of these smaller particles. In a paper that has not yet been peer-reviewed, researchers found that micro-droplets fell out of the air within 1.5 meters of the person who was wearing a mask, versus 5 meters for those not wearing masks. When combined with social distancing, this suggests that masks can effectively reduce transmission via micro-droplets.

 

Another recent study showed that unfitted surgical masks were 100% effective in blocking seasonal coronavirus in droplets ejected during breathing.

 

If only people with symptoms infected others, then only people with symptoms would need to wear masks. But experts have shown that people without symptoms pose a risk of infecting others. In fact, four recent studies show that nearly half of patients are infected by people who do not themselves have symptoms.

 

From the study linked:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

 

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We identified seasonal human coronaviruses, influenza viruses and rhinoviruses in exhaled breath and coughs of children and adults with acute respiratory illness. Surgical face masks significantly reduced detection of influenza virus RNA in respiratory droplets and coronavirus RNA in aerosols, with a trend toward reduced detection of coronavirus RNA in respiratory droplets. Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

 

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03444

 

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The utility of wearing simple cloth face masks is analyzed using computational fluid dynamics simulations. We simulate the aerodynamic flow through the mask and the spatial spread of droplet ejecta resulting from respiratory events such as coughing or sneezing. Without a mask, a turbulent jet forms, and droplets with a broad size distribution are ejected. Large droplets (greater than about 125 {\mu}m in diameter) fall to the ground within about 2 m, while turbulent clouds transport a mist of small aerosolized droplets over significant distances (~ 5 m), consistent with reported experimental findings. A loosely fitted simple cotton cloth mask (with a pore size ~ 4 microns) qualitatively changes the propagation of the high velocity jet, and largely eliminates the turbulent cloud downstream of the mask. About 12\% of the airflow leaks around the sides of a mask, considering a uniform gap of only 1 mm all around, between the face and the mask. The spread of ejecta is also changed, with most large droplets trapped at the mask surface. We present the viral load in the air and deposited around the person, and show that wearing even a simple cloth mask substantially decreases the extent of spatial spread of virus particles when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

 

 

I don’t see how what you quoted invalidates everything in the article. Even if wearing a mask doesn’t fully stop the spread of aerosolized virus particles, it still cuts down their spread vs not wearing a mask and it significantly cuts down the spread of droplets (currently thought to be the main way the virus is spread). So I don’t see how wearing a mask could do any harm, and even if it’s only 40% effective (they’re saying it may be closer to 80%), wouldn’t it be worth it?

 

Wearing a mask isn’t a perfect solution. But what is the science based argument for not wearing a mask? Is there one? Doesn't it seem more likely that wearing a mask will help prevent the spread vs not wearing anything over your nose and mouth? 

 

What other solution is being proposed to help cut down the spread? If there’s a better solution I’m all for it. Wearing a mask and social distancing seems to be the best we have at the moment.

[BillsFan4]

On 5/29/2020 at 2:07 PM, JaCrispy said:

Anyone heard any info (or have any thoughts) on what action will be taken by the NFL the first time a player tests positive for covid?

I’m curious of that myself. I honestly don’t know what the plan is as of now. I’m sure will will find out.

 

I would think that they know there will probably be some positive cases to deal with and I’m guessing they will have some type of protocol in place to deal with it without shutting down again, but who knows? Some of this stuff could depend on where we’re at w/this pandemic this fall. 

 

The NFL and NHL seem pretty determined to play, so i’m thinking they’ll find a way.

It sounds like the NHL will be keeping players basically in quarantine for the duration of their playoff series. I wonder if something similar could happen with the NFL (if it’s absolutely necessary)?

[SinceThe70s]

6 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I’m curious of that myself. I honestly don’t know what the plan is as of now. I’m sure will will find out.

 

I would think that they know there will probably be some positive cases to deal with and I’m guessing they will have some type of protocol in place to deal with it without shutting down again, but who knows? Some of this stuff could depend on where we’re at w/this pandemic this fall. 

 

The NFL and NHL seem pretty determined to play, so i’m thinking they’ll find a way.

It sounds like the NHL will be keeping players basically in quarantine for the duration of their playoff series. I wonder if something similar could happen with the NFL (if it’s absolutely necessary)?

 

I'm sure that every league that starts back up will have a plan for dealing with a positive case. But as Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

 

My son raised an interesting question. If the NHL is able to have their 24 team tournament in the summer,  how will that affect the next season which will be close to the normal start? I have no clue, but my suspicion is they'll try to make sure that whatever form the next season takes it will include fans in the stands.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

On 5/21/2020 at 8:14 PM, BillsFan4 said:

@BuffaloBillsGospel @TheBrownBear

 

How are you both doing?  Hope all is going well. 

 

 

Thanks man, it was a rough week but I'm continuing to get better each day so and I wasn't hospitalized so i won't complain. Still feeling siode effects, dizzyness and I get winded just going to the mailbox but again, I'm not going to complain it could have been much worse. Thanks again for asking, that was good of you brother!

[The Dean]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

 

Thanks man, it was a rough week but I'm continuing to get better each day so and I wasn't hospitalized so i won't complain. Still feeling siode effects, dizzyness and I get winded just going to the mailbox but again, I'm not going to complain it could have been much worse. Thanks again for asking, that was good of you brother!

 

Well, glad to hear you are finally getting through it. I know a couple of other people (and Bills' fans) who have been through similar tough bouts with the Covid.  Please keep us updated.

[BillsFan4]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

 

Thanks man, it was a rough week but I'm continuing to get better each day so and I wasn't hospitalized so i won't complain. Still feeling siode effects, dizzyness and I get winded just going to the mailbox but again, I'm not going to complain it could have been much worse. Thanks again for asking, that was good of you brother!

Glad to hear back from you! and glad to hear you are doing ok and getting better each day.

 

That’s a bummer you’re still getting winded but that seems to be a pretty common complaint and one of the longer lasting symptoms for many. It might be worth trying some deep breathing and lung clearings exercises. 

 

Best wishes on a continued, speedy recovery! 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by BillsFan4

[plenzmd1]

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

11 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Glad to hear back from you! and glad to hear you are doing ok and getting better each day.

 

That’s a bummer you’re still getting winded but that seems to be a pretty common complaint and one of the longer lasting symptoms for many. It might be worth trying some deep breathing and lung clearings exercises. 

 

Best wishes on a continued, speedy recovery! 

 

 

I appreciate it, I've definitely been doing the breathing exercises throughout this process, thanks for the tips and well wishes. I'm just trying to get back to normal as soon as possible.