GG Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No but you’d have raised your floor at a bargain price. You would have had less of a need at edge and you’d have had Shaq for less than he got. You could have still chased other options as well but wouldn’t have the hole that currently exists. Not sure I follow the math. I believe that the cost for the 5th year option was going to be above $10 million and for one season only. I think his AAV will be less than that, and for a longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Paying more than a players value is what free agency is. He's worth about 8.5 and that's if you feel his production fits nicely into the scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Man, you are REALLY concerned about the contracts these guys are getting huh? Not sure how to make you comfortable with the idea that salaries escalate EVERY SINGLE YEAR with the CBA. The money the league makes grows each year. The player’s salaries are a percentage of that revenue. The new CBA even offers a higher percentage of the revenue (if it’s passed). The players will be getting 48.5% of that revenue. The league is shooting for $25B in revenue when their TV deals expire in 2021!! https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/07/15/nfl-revenue-owners-players-billions/ Now we can talk about what’s a good investment and what’s a bad one but we certainly don’t need to worry about a couple million dollar overpayment having ANY impact on the team’s ability to do business. Stop looking at the raw number and look at the big picture. It’s 48.5% (or will be) of a rapidly rising overall revenue. I understand what you are saying but the NBA just had a reckoning when the anticipated increase did not happen. Teams were stuck having overpaid players and lost all flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 The only ability that Shaq has that is exceptional is setting the edge! Really helped containing Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. He has improved at pass rush but I wouldn’t break the bank for him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 The same people clamoring to throw $13 million per year at Shaq Lawson are the same people who will complain every single week when he under-performs on that contract, and fails to hit double-digit sacks. For evidence, go back 3 years on this message board. You will find post after post complaining about needing a big DT to stuff the run. Now half the fans want to see Star Lotulelei cut. Even though the Bills have lots of salary cap space, it can disappear quickly. They need to make wise decisions, and not get themselves stuck with bad long-term contracts. The extra money they keep this season can be rolled over. And starting next season (2021), some real impact players will be coming up to free agency. Jordan Poyer, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, Jon Feliciano, etc. A year later we are looking at Tre White, Micah Hyde, John Brown, Jerry Hughes and more. Every F/A season, we hear the myth that salary cap doesn't matter. That the CBA has rendered it pointless. That the New Orleans Saints magically finds ways to get around it. None of this is true. All over the league, you see teams making tough decisions about which players to keep and which players to let go. Yes, there are ways to creatively structure contracts. But the teams that keep rolling are those who draft well, allowing them to easily replace veterans who they must let walk out the door. Teams that always count on free agency to save them generally have a short shelf-life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 spotrac has his fair market value at $7.7M a year https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/shaq-lawson-18967/market-value/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Trying to trade him for either of those two? At the end of last year? Please. Packaged is right, it would have taken an awful lot more in the package than Lawson. And neither of those guys makes us competitive for a Super Bowl last year. They don't get us over that hump. CMC would've blocked for Allen on route to our victory in OT at Houston... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I really don't think the tweet changes anything. There was never a doubt that he was going to test the market, if the Bills didn't make him an offer or if they offered him lower than he thinks he will get paid. He will go to the highest bidder. If it is the Bills so be it, if not he is hardly a franchise player. I do trust this front office. There is a reason they didn't exercise the option and there is likely a sound reason they did not sign him before the start of free agency. Don't forget he was inherited from the Rex era. Let the process play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ALF said: spotrac has his fair market value at $7.7M a year https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/shaq-lawson-18967/market-value/ Yep just slightly over Trent Murphy territory from a few years ago Edited March 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, GG said: Not sure I follow the math. I believe that the cost for the 5th year option was going to be above $10 million and for one season only. I think his AAV will be less than that, and for a longer term. I’m not sure that it will be with the way that these guys have come off the board In FA. This draft is not good at Edge either (excluding Chase Young). Shaq’s value may get pushed up because of those factors. It could have been kicking the can down the road but if you told the Bills, right now, you could have Shaq this year for $10M I think they’d jump at it. 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I understand what you are saying but the NBA just had a reckoning when the anticipated increase did not happen. Teams were stuck having overpaid players and lost all flexibility. The NBA had a MASSIVE spike prior though that slowed (some). There really haven’t been any teams crippled by it. The NFL is a different animal anyways. That TV contract will grow by a lot in 2021. You also need to account for the 2 extra playoff games and another week of regular season games (potentially). It’s apples and oranges in a lot of ways. Someone brought up the NHL earlier too. The revenue model differences between the NFL and NHL is like apples and fire trucks. They are nothing alike because there’s so little TV money in the NHL. Edited March 3, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Could've packaged him for McCaffrey or Kupp who would've pushed us over the hump Um, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: If Lawson was a FA available from another team, how much would Bills fans be clamoring to sign him to a long term deal? I thought so. That's why it's important to sign your own free agents. You know what you have , you know if he fits in well. Shaq fits in well with what we are doing on defense. I don't know other players out there that are better or will fit in as well for a less amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, klos63 said: That's why it's important to sign your own free agents. You know what you have , you know if he fits in well. Shaq fits in well with what we are doing on defense. I don't know other players out there that are better or will fit in as well for a less amount of money. Your point about fit is certainly valid, but they can’t afford to apply that (at premium $) to every player. Assuming a $ level commensurate with his play (as an average DE), I’m happy to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Your point about fit is certainly valid, but they can’t afford to apply that (at premium $) to every player. Assuming a $ level commensurate with his play (as an average DE), I’m happy to keep him. I agree, you have to look at the market. Can we replace Shaq and not take a step back? We had a top defense last year, need to stay on top while the offense adds pieces. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 13 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Could've packaged him for McCaffrey or Kupp who would've pushed us over the hump Why settle for just those 2 when you could've packaged Shaq for Derrick Henry? <=== sarcasm Seriously now, that sounds great & all but I don't even think your trade gets accepted on Madden, yet alone in the real life NFL. Also the idea of trading him last year just doesn't make much sense either. The Bills were weak at DE while trying to make a run at the playoffs, so you're gonna trade away from that position & make it weaker? We just wouldn't have done that nor should we have, and at the end of the day we didn't. Given the circumstances at the time, it was the right decision not to exercise Shaq's 5th year option... because he hadn't shown enough on the field that warranted it. And now if Shaq will accept a fair deal somewhere in the $7-8 mil/per range i believe we'll extend him. But if he wants more in the $10 per range then I think we spend that money elsewhere, since he hasn't shown that he's worth that, at least imo. But we do have a history of overpaying certain players so really anythings possible i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 more money for a game changing DE/OLB?? If Shaq and Phillips are gone, we had better "make a splash" in FA by signing an impact (sacks) DE/OLB and Hooper. Not making a splash was all well and good when the idea was to keep your own guys, etc., but if Lawson is gone, that's not keeping your own guys, and the anti-splash movement was also predicated upon making more cap space. We have the space, make a "smart splash" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 16 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Think the writing was on the wall when we didn’t pick up his option...even before that actually considering he wasn’t a pick of the current regime That really isn't a factor at all. Players that are sent out the door don't fit the mold of the incoming regime. Lawson does fit that mold. He may just want more than they are willing to give at the moment. There are some really good players that may be available this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Too bad things didn't "get real" during his first two years here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: more money for a game changing DE/OLB?? If Shaq and Phillips are gone, we had better "make a splash" in FA by signing an impact (sacks) DE/OLB and Hooper. Not making a splash was all well and good when the idea was to keep your own guys, etc., but if Lawson is gone, that's not keeping your own guys, and the anti-splash movement was also predicated upon making more cap space. We have the space, make a "smart splash" Let's not forget that he/Shaq was drafted by the previous regime so I don't think they view him as ( keep your own guys ) But I like Shaq a lot and Iwould love for him to remain a Bill , Phillips on the other hand I could care less let him go get overpaid somewhere else GO BILLS !!! Edited March 3, 2020 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Putin said: Let's not forget that he/Shaq was drafted by the previous regime so I don't think they view him as ( keep your own guys ) But I like Shaq a lot and Iwould love for him to remain a Bill GO BILLS !!! I had the same thought. I didn’t really include him in that “keep your own” group lined up for extensions (White, Dawkins, Milano). He’s a guy, like Jordan Phillips, who I think they would like to keep at the right price but won’t bend over backwards and feel they can replace if needed . Edited March 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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