Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, Kmart128 said: No he was awful... Cleveland fans hated him and told us he would never amount to anything and shouldnt be brought in as a starter Um....you're not seriously proposing vocal fan opinions as a good metric of actual player quality contribution Are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: No he was awful... Cleveland fans hated him and told us he would never amount to anything and shouldnt be brought in as a starter Can't judge a player by their time spent in Cleveland. It's a black hole. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, MJS said: Can't judge a player by their time spent in Cleveland. It's a black hole. Well thats my point... Giants are currently a black hole so its not fair to judge Olgetree based off what he has done recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, bouds said: I live in NYC, watched this guy play, he is just bad. He has no roll in the NFL, can't pass cover and can't pass rush from the outside. Like Beane said, Zo was a swiss army knife. Zo played over guards and rushed, played outside and rushed, played off the ball as a stack linebacker. Of those 3 rolls, Olgetree does one, stack LB, that's it. He will give us no pass rush, and no pass coverage (which admittedly wasn't Zo's strongest attribute). Just don't see the point of bringing Olgetree in. Rolls vs. roles ...... now that's a tricky one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Hell yes, I'd love that. He can cover very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Kmart128 said: We have taken a lot of awful players that ended up succeeding in McDermotts defense. Just look at Poyer. Poyer was not awful before he came to Bills. In fact he was recruited because his coach on Browns saw he was being under utilized. Colts fans were glad for trade of Hughes until he was given chance to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaninATL said: Rolls vs. roles ...... now that's a tricky one ? Rolls are delicious served warm and dripping with butter. Mmmmmmmm rolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Loved him back when he was a Bulldog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Poyer was considered bad in Cleveland but before he came I thought he could be good (one of the few threads I have started). I’m down with olgetree. I have also heard AJ Klein’s name tossed around a lot too. I think that’s a good fit too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think Poyer was awful in Cleveland. He didn't show too much his first two seasons - not uncommon for a late-round pick to take a while to develop He was playing well in his 4th year when he got seriously hurt. Is it fair to say that he and others (Phillips jumps to mind) blossomed under the tutelage of Frazier and McDermott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Poyer was considered bad in Cleveland but before he came I thought he could be good (one of the few threads I have started). I’m down with olgetree. I have also heard AJ Klein’s name tossed around a lot too. I think that’s a good fit too I think the Bills made a run at Klein last time he was a FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Poyer was considered bad in Cleveland but before he came I thought he could be good (one of the few threads I have started). IIRC Cleveland did tender him, just at minimum. I don't think you tender a guy at all if you think he's bad. 'Course, you don't tender him at minimum if you think he's a key player, or has the potential to be so, either. 12 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Is it fair to say that he and others (Phillips jumps to mind) blossomed under the tutelage of Frazier and McDermott? Surely. Our defense is a veritable field of blossoming flowers ? Provided you mean "flowers" in the carnivorous plant sense of the word. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: IIRC Cleveland did tender him, just at minimum. I don't think you tender a guy at all if you think he's bad. 'Course, you don't tender him at minimum if you think he's a key player, or has the potential to be so, either. Sure. Our defense is a veritable field of blossoming flowers ? Provided you mean "flowers" in the carnivorous plant sense of the word. ? Brushing off the cobwebs from digging in the basement. I haven't found the "Poyer signed" thread yet, but here's an idea of how he and Hyde were viewed before suiting up for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 why are we talking about Poyer here. Does Ogletree fit up as an OLB for the Bills. It is a situational role. as he would not be playing in nickle or dime defense. Because you guys have mixed emotions here , and hoping for a scheme change creating a moment of epiphany for Ogle tree ? i say find another. But as mentioned I trust McBeanes. not you knuckleheads LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: Brushing off the cobwebs from digging in the basement. I haven't found the "Poyer signed" thread yet, but here's an idea of how he and Hyde were viewed before suiting up for the Bills. Well that OP right there lets me know how to evaluate the opinions offered. Gilmore is a CB - no one is trading CB Gilmore for S Hyde and Poyer, they're different positions. Williams wasn't swapped out voluntarily, he was released and no other team would sign him due to his horrible injury history. He retired the following Jan. Tough luck for a young man who still wanted to play, but probably to his long-term benefit. 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: why are we talking about Poyer here. 'cuz we should pay him? ? Seriously, thread drift. It's a thing. 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Does Ogletree fit up as an OLB for the Bills. It is a situational role. as he would not be playing in nickle or dime defense. Because you guys have mixed emotions here , and hoping for a scheme change creating a moment of epiphany for Ogle tree ? i say find another. But as mentioned I trust McBeanes. not you knuckleheads LOL Right on. There are places where McBeane have merited some skepticism - such as their handling of offensive talent in 2017-2018. But their judgement of defensive player talent seems solid to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I trust McBeanes. not you knuckleheads LOL You take that back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I didn’t watch him a ton in New Jersey but he was pretty good for LA and he plays with an edge. I always like the idea of a former big FA playing on a one year price it type deal. It’s a win win for both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, bouds said: I live in NYC, watched this guy play, he is just bad. He has no roll in the NFL, can't pass cover and can't pass rush from the outside. Like Beane said, Zo was a swiss army knife. Zo played over guards and rushed, played outside and rushed, played off the ball as a stack linebacker. Of those 3 rolls, Olgetree does one, stack LB, that's it. He will give us no pass rush, and no pass coverage (which admittedly wasn't Zo's strongest attribute). Just don't see the point of bringing Olgetree in. And no ST capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I’d like to ogle at some Ogletree on our defense next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: You take that back. make me ! i was going to say Chuckle heads ! But dialed it back, Love you guys. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well that OP right there lets me know how to evaluate the opinions offered. Gilmore is a CB - no one is trading CB Gilmore for S Hyde and Poyer, they're different positions. Williams wasn't swapped out voluntarily, he was released and no other team would sign him due to his horrible injury history. He retired the following Jan. Tough luck for a young man who still wanted to play, but probably to his long-term benefit. 'cuz we should pay him? ? Seriously, thread drift. It's a thing. Yes, I have heard tell of such Right on. There are places where McBeane have merited some skepticism - such as their handling of offensive talent in 2017-2018. They improved that marker i hope we can agree last season by a country mile ? But their judgement of defensive player talent seems solid to date. yep. and use it to its strengths. 7 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I’d like to ogle at some Ogletree on our defense next season. perv Edited February 27, 2020 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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