Crazy Chiefs team building stat

[YoloinOhio]

This is crazy to me... obviously mahomes and fisher are the two. Draft well in all rounds and scout the pros to the point where you can hit in FA & the waiver wire. Not all about the 1st round. 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[SoCal Deek]

Hard to believe Sammy and Shady were the last two missing pieces.

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hard to believe Sammy and Shady were the last two missing pieces.

And Reggie Ragland! 

[Boatdrinks]

Really illustrates the fact that there are good and even great players found all over the draft. So much focus and hype around the first round, and doomsayers love to tell you why your team just screwed themselves for the next 5 years. It’s clear that these types of hot takes are nonsense. You need certain pieces on offense to be a championship caliber team, but you don’t need a team of first rounders. 

[Zerovoltz]

This is a somewhat wild stat.  Allow me to give it some context though.

 

2013  KC was drafting 1/1 in a draft that didn't have a QB (you all should know that first hand) and no big time edge rusher...so we took Eric Fisher.  Frankly he sucked about the first 4-5 years of his career...he's good now.  Took a while.

 

2014.  Dee Ford.  We franchised and traded him to the 49ers this past offseason.  He had an up and down career in KC. 

 

2015.  Marcus Peters.  Great cover guy.....bad tackler.  KC ended up trading him after he and an assistant coach got into a fist fight on team bus.  Got a 2nd in 2019 and 4th in 2018 from the Rams for him. 

 

2016.  KC had pick 28 and traded out of the first round with ....San Francisco...

 

2017.  Traded up from 27 to 10....also giving up 2018 1st and 2017 3rd.

 

2018.  Pick was traded to the Bills in 2017.

 

2019.  Pick traded to Seattle.

 

 

OK.  So, let's examine what KC got out of these trades.

 

2014 pick Dee Ford is now a 2020 Second Round pick from the 49ers.

2015 pick Marcus Peters turned into backup Safety Armani Watts (rd 4 2018) and Starting safety and all rookie Juan Thornhill (rd 2 2019)

2016 trade out of first round plus KC 7th, for SF 2nd, 4th and 6th.  That got KC, Chris Jones (2nd round) Guard Parker Ehinger (4th) Ehinger was traded to the Cowboys for KC starting CB, Charvarious Ward....and CB DJ White (no longer on team, 6th round)

2017. Pat Mahomes

2018.....also Pat Mahomes

2019.  Frank Clark.

 

So from 2013, to 2019, KC either used their 1st round pick, or traded the pick or player and that got us (KC)

 

Fisher - Starting good LT.

Juan Thornhill - All rookie impact starting S.

Chris Jones - Starting stud DT.

Charvarious Ward - Starting CB.

Frank Clark - Pro Bowl DE.

and Patrick Mahomes.  All world QB.

 

So while the stat is correct......it needs context.  KC played the cards well here.

[Codyny13]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

And Reggie Ragland! 

Does he play much? Haven’t noticed him in any games and I saw tackle number for the season was like 26 or something?

[Zerovoltz]

5 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Does he play much? Haven’t noticed him in any games and I saw tackle number for the season was like 26 or something?

 

KC uses him fairly often when playing strong run teams.  he was prominent in the Titans game, but doesn't get alot of snaps when playing a team like the Patriots or Chargers...who throw to their backs alot.  Ragland is good for one thing and one thing only....stout run defense where he attacks the gap and makes a play.  He sucks in coverage.

[TigerJ]

24 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

This is a somewhat wild stat.  Allow me to give it some context though.

 

2013  KC was drafting 1/1 in a draft that didn't have a QB (you all should know that first hand) and no big time edge rusher...so we took Eric Fisher.  Frankly he sucked about the first 4-5 years of his career...he's good now.  Took a while.

 

2014.  Dee Ford.  We franchised and traded him to the 49ers this past offseason.  He had an up and down career in KC. 

 

2015.  Marcus Peters.  Great cover guy.....bad tackler.  KC ended up trading him after he and an assistant coach got into a fist fight on team bus.  Got a 2nd in 2019 and 4th in 2018 from the Rams for him. 

 

2016.  KC had pick 28 and traded out of the first round with ....San Francisco...

 

2017.  Traded up from 27 to 10....also giving up 2018 1st and 2017 3rd.

 

2018.  Pick was traded to the Bills in 2017.

 

2019.  Pick traded to Seattle.

 

 

OK.  So, let's examine what KC got out of these trades.

 

2014 pick Dee Ford is now a 2020 Second Round pick from the 49ers.

2015 pick Marcus Peters turned into backup Safety Armani Watts (rd 4 2018) and Starting safety and all rookie Juan Thornhill (rd 2 2019)

2016 trade out of first round plus KC 7th, for SF 2nd, 4th and 6th.  That got KC, Chris Jones (2nd round) Guard Parker Ehinger (4th) Ehinger was traded to the Cowboys for KC starting CB, Charvarious Ward....and CB DJ White (no longer on team, 6th round)

2017. Pat Mahomes

2018.....also Pat Mahomes

2019.  Frank Clark.

 

So from 2013, to 2019, KC either used their 1st round pick, or traded the pick or player and that got us (KC)

 

Fisher - Starting good LT.

Juan Thornhill - All rookie impact starting S.

Chris Jones - Starting stud DT.

Charvarious Ward - Starting CB.

Frank Clark - Pro Bowl DE.

and Patrick Mahomes.  All world QB.

 

So while the stat is correct......it needs context.  KC played the cards well here.

Frankly, given that KC is in the Super Bowl, it's pretty obvious that however they handled the draft and free agency, it worked.

[SoCal Deek]

56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

And Reggie Ragland! 

Ha...you’re right! For got about Reggie. Which is hard to believe considering his huge impact on Bills history.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is crazy to me... obviously mahomes and fisher are the two. Draft well in all rounds and scout the pros to the point where you can hit in FA & the waiver wire. Not all about the 1st round. 

 

 

This may have worked for them, this year, but it is not the right way to build a team, statistically speaking.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

33 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

KC uses him fairly often when playing strong run teams.  he was prominent in the Titans game, but doesn't get alot of snaps when playing a team like the Patriots or Chargers...who throw to their backs alot.  Ragland is good for one thing and one thing only....stout run defense where he attacks the gap and makes a play.  He sucks in coverage.

This was why Rex drafted him and then Sean let him walk. Worked out for everyone. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This was why Rex drafted him and then Sean let him walk. Worked out for everyone. 

Yep - that’s the point. If you scout the league well you will he able to pick up guys cheap who other teams don’t want because they don’t fit their schemes, but could fit yours. Right now there are teams like the panthers, browns, giants who are changing schemes on both sides of the ball and might be willing to part with decent players for low round picks or will end up cutting them to do a salary dump. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yep - that’s the point. If you scout the league well you will he able to pick up guys cheap who other teams don’t want because they don’t fit their schemes, but could fit yours. Right now there are teams like the panthers, browns, giants who are changing schemes on both sides of the ball and might be willing to part with decent players for low round picks or will end up cutting them to do a salary dump. 

totally agree. Bills did something somewhat similar with Poyer and Hyde. Turned guys that weren’t even full time starters, plugged them into a different scheme and on field role  and boom off goes their career...

Edited January 26, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

And Reggie Ragland! 

my vote for the missing piece was the Honey Badger.  Now healthy he looks like the earlier player when at Arizona.  He’s a leader and a stud.  Immediately made the secondary a lot better.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

my vote for the missing piece was the Honey Badger.  Now healthy he looks like the earlier player when at Arizona.  He’s a leader and a stud.  Immediately made the secondary a lot better.

And people were yelling that they “overpaid”  for him. No one cares, now. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

KC uses him fairly often when playing strong run teams.  he was prominent in the Titans game, but doesn't get alot of snaps when playing a team like the Patriots or Chargers...who throw to their backs alot.  Ragland is good for one thing and one thing only....stout run defense where he attacks the gap and makes a play.  He sucks in coverage.

Your smugness almost makes me not want to root for Andy. Almost. 

2 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

This is a somewhat wild stat.  Allow me to give it some context though.

 

2013  KC was drafting 1/1 in a draft that didn't have a QB (you all should know that first hand) and no big time edge rusher...so we took Eric Fisher.  Frankly he sucked about the first 4-5 years of his career...he's good now.  Took a while.

 

2014.  Dee Ford.  We franchised and traded him to the 49ers this past offseason.  He had an up and down career in KC. 

 

2015.  Marcus Peters.  Great cover guy.....bad tackler.  KC ended up trading him after he and an assistant coach got into a fist fight on team bus.  Got a 2nd in 2019 and 4th in 2018 from the Rams for him. 

 

2016.  KC had pick 28 and traded out of the first round with ....San Francisco...

 

2017.  Traded up from 27 to 10....also giving up 2018 1st and 2017 3rd.

 

2018.  Pick was traded to the Bills in 2017.

 

2019.  Pick traded to Seattle.

 

 

OK.  So, let's examine what KC got out of these trades.

 

2014 pick Dee Ford is now a 2020 Second Round pick from the 49ers.

2015 pick Marcus Peters turned into backup Safety Armani Watts (rd 4 2018) and Starting safety and all rookie Juan Thornhill (rd 2 2019)

2016 trade out of first round plus KC 7th, for SF 2nd, 4th and 6th.  That got KC, Chris Jones (2nd round) Guard Parker Ehinger (4th) Ehinger was traded to the Cowboys for KC starting CB, Charvarious Ward....and CB DJ White (no longer on team, 6th round)

2017. Pat Mahomes

2018.....also Pat Mahomes

2019.  Frank Clark.

 

So from 2013, to 2019, KC either used their 1st round pick, or traded the pick or player and that got us (KC)

 

Fisher - Starting good LT.

Juan Thornhill - All rookie impact starting S.

Chris Jones - Starting stud DT.

Charvarious Ward - Starting CB.

Frank Clark - Pro Bowl DE.

and Patrick Mahomes.  All world QB.

 

So while the stat is correct......it needs context.  KC played the cards well here.

 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

This may have worked for them, this year, but it is not the right way to build a team, statistically speaking.

 

Yet another reason why they are a BS team.

[Zerovoltz]

40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

And people were yelling that they “overpaid”  for him. No one cares, now. 

I agree.....and would add, it's only an overpay if they don't perform.  He's been worth every penny.

 

9 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Your smugness almost makes me not want to root for Andy. Almost. 

 

....my smugness?  By explaining that while KC doesn't have many of it's own 1st round selections, you could more or less make a case the trades they made brought them back 1st round type talent instead.  Not trying to be smug, just pointing out KC did build through the draft and draft day trades, and the picks ended up working out.  If we were the Jets...we'd trade guys we drafted away, they'd bust, and whatever we got for them, we'd waste. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

Yet another reason why they are a BS team.

.....(smug response below)....

 

You'll probably be tired of KC being elite for a while.

 

KC has the following players locked up through 2021

 

Mahomes  (MVP, all pro)

Hill  (Pro bowl)

Kelce (Pro bowl)

Fisher (Pro bowl)

Clark (Pro bowl)

Thornhill  (all rookie team)

Ward  (really good)

Butker  (pro bowl)

Hardman (pro bowl, all rookie)

Hitchens (ok, he isn't good, but I listed him because he is under contract, and it's a bad one so he won't be cut)

Schwartz (pro bowl)

Mathieu (pro bowl)

...and others....

 

Basically, that's the core.  Chris Jones is an FA this offseason.  They will either sign him, or Franchise and trade him.

 

The key players, stars, etc are locked in.  Plus we have decent cap space.  Not built hodge podge for 1 year window of success. 

[Rico]

Just now, Zerovoltz said:

I agree.....and would add, it's only an overpay if they don't perform.  He's been worth every penny.

 

....my smugness?  By explaining that while KC doesn't have many of it's own 1st round selections, you could more or less make a case the trades they made brought them back 1st round type talent instead.  Not trying to be smug, just pointing out KC did build through the draft and draft day trades, and the picks ended up working out.  If we were the Jets...we'd trade guys we drafted away, they'd bust, and whatever we got for them, we'd waste. 

 

.....(smug response below)....

 

You'll probably be tired of KC being elite for a while.

 

KC has the following players locked up through 2021

 

Mahomes  (MVP, all pro)

Hill  (Pro bowl)

Kelce (Pro bowl)

Fisher (Pro bowl)

Clark (Pro bowl)

Thornhill  (all rookie team)

Ward  (really good)

Butker  (pro bowl)

Hardman (pro bowl, all rookie)

Hitchens (ok, he isn't good, but I listed him because he is under contract, and it's a bad one so he won't be cut)

Schwartz (pro bowl)

Mathieu (pro bowl)

...and others....

 

Basically, that's the core.  Chris Jones is an FA this offseason.  They will either sign him, or Franchise and trade him.

 

The key players, stars, etc are locked in.  Plus we have decent cap space.  Not built hodge podge for 1 year window of success. 

Dan Marino and the 1984 Miami Dolphins say hi.

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, Rico said:

Dan Marino and the 1984 Miami Dolphins say hi.

 

could happen.  We'll see.