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Him saying it was a hoax was misconstrued, but he DID say he thought that the media and the Democrats were happy this was happening.  That was incredibly dumb.  Sure, both sides will use this politically.  He'll try to say he did the most tremendous job of any president ever, and that we were lucky to have him.  They will try to say he mishandled it, but NO ONE is happy about this.  That's absurd.

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34 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Trump has been overly concerned with appearances over reality at every turn. He chooses to look like he solves a problem over actually solving it whenever possible.  He made a couple of good yet unpopular decisions closing travel from China early on and won't let anyone forget about it.  He spends 15-20% of his time self congratulating.  OMG if I hear one more time about how smart he was, .....  Yes, he made that decision.  He did good.  Since then, he has been his typical idiotic self however.

 

If I can post the following post three weeks ago why has he still not realized that is what needs to be done?  I also posted about making and using cloth masks weeks before Trump.  Why didn't he kick things into gear weeks ago, if not months?  Answer:  appearances.   Ok, the expert opinions were all over for a while but Jesus Christ, if I can post on this board about practical ideas to help weeks ago, why has the administration been so slow?  Answer: fear of appearances.

 

And, no one should have to kiss this President's ass in order to get him to do his ***** job.  The people of Michigan should not be punished because Governor Whitmer spoke the truth to this highly flawed fool that is in charge.  If where I worked I saw a manager taking criticism personally and acting so foolishly, I would go over his/her head to report the behavior.  It is not how an organization should operate.  Again, Trump should do his ***** job and that surely includes accepting criticism

 


You know Bob, when people dunk on you, I sometimes feel they are being too harsh. I have changed my opinion. You deserve what you get.



 

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5 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Doubt it.  But NOW is not the time to be hammering him on that decision.  There will be plenty of time to review what decisions got us to this point and how to make better decisions to better handle (and ideally avoid) the next crisis.  But the time for postmortems is when the crisis is over, not during it.

I agree. For every person saying Cuomo should have got the ventilators in 2015, there's another saying Trump said it was unprecedented and there's no way you could have seen this coming.  You can't have it both ways.  

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


You know Bob, when people dunk on you, I sometimes feel they are being too harsh. I have changed my opinion. You deserve what you get.



 

We live and we learn. I have learned your opinions are not well informed and that you are quite stubborn

 

Want to tell us all again how this virus is no big deal?  

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Just now, Bob in Mich said:

We live and we learn. I have learned your opinions are not well informed and that you are quite stubborn

 

Want to tell us all again how this virus is no big deal?  


My opinions are not well informed? M'kay.

I have not changed my opinion much on this virus.  Again though, I have qualified my opinion before by saying that there may be more going on that TPTB have not allowed the general public to know, and that makes me hesitate in a firm opinion (IOW I am willing to learn, can you say the same?) With over 150 countries closing their borders, and the Chinese lying and lack of forthcoming, it does make me wonder what we are not being told? What is still unknown?  IOW, without all the data (and some of the numbers are shifting and will continue to do so), it is difficult to make a final judgement.

 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


My opinions are not well informed? M'kay.

I have not changed my opinion much on this virus.  Again though, I have qualified my opinion before by saying that there may be more going on that TPTB have not allowed the general public to know, and that makes me hesitate in a firm opinion (IOW I am willing to learn, can you say the same?) With over 150 countries closing their borders, and the Chinese lying and lack of forthcoming, it does make me wonder what we are not being told? What is still unknown?  IOW, without all the data (and some of the numbers are shifting and will continue to do so), it is difficult to make a final judgement.

 

Do you think there is something we aren’t being told? I have no idea, it does all seem surreal though. 

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43 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Unless he has a lot of land to devote to the garden, would stay away from planting corn.  For whatever reason, unless the field is pretty substantial, the yield will be poor.  The plants just don't seem to pollinate/ germinate well unless they're well surrounded with other corn plants.

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

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33 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I've planted sweet corn in an area 1/2 acre down to the size occupied by a full sized extended cab PU.  The corn came out the same with generous size ears with excellent flavor and sweetness.  Corn needs a soil pH of near neutral or 7.0.  Needs abundant amounts of nitrogen, phosphate, and potassium which can be applied ahead of seeding to be utilized during the growing season.  Seasonal rainfall should be around 15-20 inches per season or water 1" per week in temps 85 degrees or below.  Corn likes sunlight as well as heat so do not plant in an area that will be shady a majority of the day when the Sun is up.  Also, there should be some depth to the topsoil so shale 2 inches down from the top of the ground will be a problem.  Stagger planting so maturity is spread so you can have a crop 70 days from initial planting until expectation of frost.  One caveat is at least the best sweet corn is until mid-September as the days tend to cool after that point.  Potatoes have similar needs to corn with emphasis on loamy top soil several inches deep.  The deeper the better but the conditions can be offset by a process called hilling where the soil is moved mechanically from the midpoint between the rows towards the plant.

 

Have always had excellent luck w/ potatoes and never any w/ corn.

 

Not sure of the soil pH or nutrient levels (the garden is decent sized for a home garden (1,200 sq ft) but working it is a hobby so don't go too crazy on it) but have the rest of that.  Corn is one of only 2 crops I've tried that haven't been successful with.  Was always told by corn farmers that it was because the plots were too small.  And not too concerned about the soil conditions as we literally have corn field within a block of us in all 4 directions and pretty much any other crop does well in our little garden.

 

If you're able to grow corn successfully on a 8' xv6' plot, then congrats.  That is quite impressive.  :beer:

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This looks like some promising numbers.  Finally some good news:

 

New York also reported fewer hospitalizations on Saturday than it had in days prior, with 574 new admissions reported on April 4. As Cuomo reviewed at the start of Sunday's address, there were 1,095 new hospitalizations on Friday and 1,427 on Thursday.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/governor-cuomo-suggests-number-new-yorks-covid-19-deaths-dropping-over-past-few-days-1496201

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47 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Prove she did. We know Trump did, yet he called it a hoax. You are saying she is just as bad as Trump. Right? Nancy changed her tune, Trump kept on spewing nonsense. 

 

Pelosi's response to this crisis way better than Trump's. Remember when she offered $8 billion in aid and Trump refused that even? Not even close 

 

 

 

So, riddle me this, genius.Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to?

 

And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

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4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

Oh c'mon, just tell her even a broken clock is right twice a day. 0:)

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3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

 

For the fruit trees, even having just single tree, you'll be able to have a good yield once the tree is mature (takes several years to get there) for stuff like apples and cherries.

 

Pretty cool that you're growing your own.  Good luck with it.

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12 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Do you think there is something we aren’t being told? I have no idea, it does all seem surreal though. 


I honestly do not know. It just seems so odd (surreal is an excellent word, actually) that we (the world) went from "no big deal" to "lock down everything" so quickly. Maybe lock down everything is the correct call? Maybe it is an overreaction? But, ¾ of the world agreeing to closing their borders when ¾ of the world could not agree to anything prior to this? It definitely has me wondering.

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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


I honestly do not know. It just seems so odd (surreal is an excellent word, actually) that we (the world) went from "no big deal" to "lock down everything" so quickly. Maybe lock down everything is the correct call? Maybe it is an overreaction? But, ¾ of the world agreeing to closing their borders when ¾ of the world could not agree to anything prior to this? It definitely has me wondering.

Not complicated at all. Theyve learned that the virus spreads in person to person contact primarily from people that are NOT showing symptoms. So YOU could be spreading it like crazy for days without even knowing it. Pretty simple really. 

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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not complicated at all. Theyve learned that the virus spreads in person to person contact primarily from people that are NOT showing symptoms. So YOU could be spreading it like crazy for days without even knowing it. Pretty simple really. 


Don't you dare rain on my tin-foil-hat parade. :censored:

 

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17 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

be sure to plant Marigolds (to ward off certain pests) and Sunflowers (to draw bees).

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14 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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The goal with social distancing was to beat the models so that's a good thing.  It's working and there's fear with experts that if we beat the modeling people won't take the measures seriously anymore.  Unless otherwise notified, stay the frig home.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

be sure to plant Marigolds (to ward of certain pests) and Sunflowers (to draw bees).


Our sunflowers had a ***** ton of bees last year, I second that recommendation. I plant a lot of purple flowers and herbs to draw pollinators (bumble bees and hummingbirds).

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7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

So, riddle me this, genius.Trump formed the Task Force on 20 Jan and banned foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks on Jan 31. Do you think the Democrats, who scrutinize everything he does, ad nauseum, weren't in the least curious what he was up to?

 

And if he wasn't responding how they think he should have at that moment, do you honestly think they wouldn't have taken the opportunity to let everyone know?

I thought you said Dems got the National Security Briefing? Are you backing off from that? 

 

 

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