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4 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

Again, in my fantasy dystopian vision that will obviously never ever happen, like ever, how would we enforce this?

 

 

Set up the system, come up with the plan, (neither are that hard) and hopefully most sensible people will abide by it. 

 

Of course many won't because they want to party on the beach or plant their right to privacy flag on mass graves, but if enough do, we can control it.  

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4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You keep saying this like we have a binary choice between distancing/hygiene vs testing to prevent the spread.

 

It's not binary. We need both, and more steps, to prevent more deaths.  

 

I've never argued that we don't need both.  I argued that too many people focused on the lack of testing as the primary reason for the rapid spread, instead of hammering away at keeping proper hygiene.   Cleanliness and separation would have been far more effective, especially with a novel virus for which the tests didn't exist.  It only took the officials 2 months to start constantly preaching it.

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1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Set up the system, come up with the plan, (neither are that hard) and hopefully most sensible people will abide by it. 

 

Of course many won't because they want to party on the beach or plant their right to privacy flag on mass graves, but if enough do, we can control it.  

 

And there it is.  Privacy people vs sensible people.  I would argue that the sensible people are the ones that want privacy, but that is crazy talk online.

 

This just in too - you can carry the virus, yet have the antibodies too.  What you say!  So take both tests, what daily?  And if you fail one of them, what do we do?  Are we on the honor system?  No that won't work.  It would have to have teeth behind it to actually work.

 

So we land on the personal freedoms question, and for that ideal many have died over the 240+ years that this little USA experiment has been happening.

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39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes.  Tattoo them on their forehead with a "C."

 

I suggest a gold star.

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35 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

You're mixing up the tests.  The antibody testing will not identify outbreaks - it will show if you will fight off the virus again or not.  The virus test in use right now will show if you are carrying the virus.

 

Again, in my fantasy dystopian vision that will obviously never ever happen, like ever, how would we enforce this?

 

If you're in the more government is good crowd, you can do like Germany and test everyone who had COVID for antibodies and issue them certificates if they do so that they can go back to work. (and restrict those who don't)

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5 minutes ago, CarpetCrawler said:

If you're in the more government is good crowd, you can do like Germany and test everyone who had COVID for antibodies and issue them certificates if they do so that they can go back to work. (and restrict those who don't)

I would have never thought Germany would ever institute such a solution.

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On Wednesday, Trump explained how his thinking on covid-19 had changed. “The severity,” Trump said. “I think also in looking at the way that the contagion is so contagious, nobody’s ever seen anything like this where large groups of people all of a sudden have it just by being in the presence of somebody who has it. The flu has never been like that. . . . Also the violence of it if it hits the right person.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/02/trump-is-always-last-figure-it-out/

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Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker answer to the administration’s refusal to reopen the exchanges. “Frankly, this is leadership malpractice,” Pritzker said. “Now more than ever, we need as many people as possible to have access to health care to seek out testing, if we’re ever going to be able to fight covid-19 and eliminate it as a major risk to our people.” He added, “On that same note, the Trump administration’s continued pursuit of a legal case to destroy the Affordable Care Act, which has provided health care to tens of millions of Americans is a special insult to the people of this nation at this moment. To seek to kill the ACA at a time like this, not to mention ever, undermines everything that we’re trying to do to keep people safe.”

 

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While I agree that they should waive all requirements for ACA enrollments outside of open enrollment this argument is a red herring.  

 

If people lose their health insurance due to the job losses, then they qualify for an SEP insurance enrollment in the marketplace outside of open enrollment.

 

So, just to reiterate, if people have lost their health insurance because of the CoronaVirus or for any other other reason over the past 60 days, then they can qualify for SEP Special Enrollment Period through the ACA.

 

 

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Given that 7,800 people died daily in the United States in 2018 (I could not find the numbers for 2019), the look-back numbers on this will be interesting. Will the number of people dying daily increase in 2020? Or will it be a matter of instead of dying from A, that person is dying from B?  NYC apparently is pulling an Italy and anyone that has the disease is being labeled as dying from the virus, even if they actually died from a heart attack or some other per-existing condition (maybe assuming the per-existing condition exacerbated that condition?)  

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When Can Life Return to Normal?  4 Signs to Monitor

by Peter Brookes

 

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Americans can’t wait for the restrictions on their movements and interactions—widely known as social distancing—to end. That’s completely understandable. The coronavirus crisis has widely disrupted modern life. But as we learned Sunday, the Trump administration’s commonsense “stop the spread” increased mitigation strategy is with us for a while—at least till the end of April. Based on the challenges we’re facing, this is a prudent decision. While a firm date for the end of this biological battle in the United States is just unknowable at this point, it’s reasonable to ask: How will we know when we’re seeing some light at the end of the social distancing tunnel?

 

More at the link.

 

 

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Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Given that 7,800 people died daily in the United States in 2018 (I could not find the numbers for 2019), the look-back numbers on this will be interesting. Will the number of people dying daily increase in 2020? Or will it be a matter of instead of dying from A, that person is dying from B?  NYC apparently is pulling an Italy and anyone that has the disease is being labeled as dying from the virus, even if they actually died from a heart attack or some other per-existing condition (maybe assuming the per-existing condition exacerbated that condition?)  

 

The 2021 numbers will be even more telling, as this picks on ailing people. we should see a decrease in the following year(s)

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Just now, Gary M said:

 

The 2021 numbers will be even more telling, as this picks on ailing people. we should see a decrease in the following year(s)


I wonder if deaths from vehicle will be down since less people are driving?

 

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Lakewood police break up funeral with 60-70 people, issue 15 summonses for coronavirus lockdown violations

by Anthony G. Attrino

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Police in Ocean County on Wednesday night broke up a funeral in Lakewood and issued summonses to 15 people – including a 100-year-old man – accusing them of violating the state’s ban on public gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic, authorities said. The funeral marked the fourth consecutive day police have been called to gatherings in Lakewood in violation of the emergency order set in place in March to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Previous incidents have included a bar mitzvah, an engagement party and a religious school for adults that continued to operate.

 

 

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Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Given that 7,800 people died daily in the United States in 2018 (I could not find the numbers for 2019), the look-back numbers on this will be interesting. Will the number of people dying daily increase in 2020? Or will it be a matter of instead of dying from A, that person is dying from B?  NYC apparently is pulling an Italy and anyone that has the disease is being labeled as dying from the virus, even if they actually died from a heart attack or some other per-existing condition (maybe assuming the per-existing condition exacerbated that condition?)  

 

I think you are correct with your last point: if you were already sick, but stable, and then got the virus and died from complications, that becomes a Covid death, which I think makes sense.

 

Frankly I desperately wish media would chill every time a new number comes up. But, unfortunately, y'know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet.

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Here's why the coronavirus may be killing more men than women. The US should take note

By Katie Polglase, Gianluca Mezzofiore and Max Foster, CNN

Updated 5:32 PM ET, Tue March 24, 2020

 

(CNN)Smoking, drinking, general poor health: Researchers say these are some of the factors that could explain why more men seem to be dying from coronavirus than women.

In countries such as Italy, men represent nearly 60% of people who tested positive for the virus and more than 70% of those who have died, according to the country's National Health Institute (ISS). Even in countries like South Korea, where the proportion of women who have tested positive for the virus is higher than that of men, about 54% of the reported deaths are among men.
But while health officials are starting to take note of these staggering numbers, the United States is not releasing the basic nationwide data that is crucial to understanding who is most vulnerable to the virus, according to a CNN analysis.
Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus response coordinator, said at a White House press briefing on Friday: "From Italy we're seeing another concerning trend. That the mortality in males seems to be twice in every age group of females."
Regarding this data on Italy, Birx said in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Just having the knowledge of that helps us in the United States so we can be very specific in talking to the American people about who to protect and how to protect them."
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CNN has reached out to Birx for additional comment.
 
When CNN asked the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for data split by sex for US cases of coronavirus and deaths by coronavirus, known as sex-disaggregated data, the CDC did not respond.
Comprehensive data about those who have gotten sick could help inform more effective responses to the crisis. But public health researchers say that when governments such as the United States either don't collect, or don't publish their data, it's impossible for experts to gain an accurate sense of what's going on.

Data divided by sex

In collaboration with Global Health 50/50, a research institute examining gender inequality in global health, CNN analyzed the publicly available data from 20 countries with the highest number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 at the time of data collection -- March 20.
The aim was to see why men seem to be dying more than women.
 

 

But across the countries for which we have data - spanning nearly a quarter of the world's population - we found that men were 50% more likely than women to die after being diagnosed with Covid-19.

 

 

"When we look at the data what we're seeing is that in every country with sex-disaggregated data ... there is between a 10% and 90% higher rate of mortality amongst people diagnosed with Covid if they are men compared to if they are women," says Sarah Hawkes, professor of global public health at University College London (UCL) and co-director of Global Health 50/50.
 
Just sharing more info. But wouldn't count out risk to girls or for them being safe. More great info in article.  But don't take this for sure.
 
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8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Lakewood police break up funeral with 60-70 people, issue 15 summonses for coronavirus lockdown violations

by Anthony G. Attrino

Original Article

 

Police in Ocean County on Wednesday night broke up a funeral in Lakewood and issued summonses to 15 people – including a 100-year-old man – accusing them of violating the state’s ban on public gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic, authorities said. The funeral marked the fourth consecutive day police have been called to gatherings in Lakewood in violation of the emergency order set in place in March to slow the spread of the coronavirus. Previous incidents have included a bar mitzvah, an engagement party and a religious school for adults that continued to operate.

 

 

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Have you ever been to Lakewood, NJ? It is highly occupied by Hasidic Jews with dedicated schools and numerous temples.

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