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1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

 

So yes, they are relatively safely open. So what is your point?

 

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 


Who controls when a school can reopen?

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37 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Open the schools.

 

Quarantine is doing more harm than good.

 

Science says so.

 

 

 

Take your pick.

 

 

Schools are open.  Not everywhere, but in very many states, including mine (Ohio).  

 

Classes are masked and socially distanced.  Part of how they managed to do this is because a significant number of parents CHOSE to keep their kids virtual.  Sports are being played.

 

 

What the science says is that kids 15 and under are less likely to be infected and spread Covid.  Kids under 12 especially.

 

The science also says that primary school kids are far more likely to be mild or totally asymptomatic.

 

The science also says that infected kids above 15 spread the virus akin to adults, thus the risk to teachers.

 

The science is also showing in open schools with Covid precautions there are very few spreading events.   Hence the CDC and everyone pushing for schools with proper precautions to be open.

 

The science also shows that some kids do better at virtual classes, others better in-person.

 

See the entire science instead of just the parts you like.

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The local teachers Union 

 

Would it be more accurate to say state entities working with local teachers unions.

 

In my state it looks like a combination of state health and education departments coordinating and arbitrating with teacher unions to reach a consensus plan.

 

Sounds like state entities have a lion's share of the decision.

 

If unions had an arbitrary jurisdiction, they would not be suing various states over their decisions to reopen schools right?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

 

 

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23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Where's your end game? Or is there one?

There is most definitely an endgame.

 

We are going to vaccinate Covid-19 either to obscurity (polio, smallpox) or to a manageable level in society (influenza).  My guess is somewhere in the middle of this spectrum, either several years of adapted vaccines or a paradigm similar to influenza but maybe less often.

 

Right now, even though the MSM will be histrionic about mutated Covid, it does appear Covid mutates faster than previously thought.  Not as fast as influenza though.  And while the vaccines may have some degree of reduced efficacy, they are far from impotent against the mutants.

 

We are all tired of the precautions, so start by getting vaccinated at first opportunity.  Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity are critical.  We are privileged to have the finest vaccines here in the US and if anyone prompts me I can explain why. 

As the numbers change, so do the restrictions.  We need to use the vaccines to reduce the spread and concurrent natural mutations, then the numbers and science will dictate what kind of long term vaccine plan is necessary.

 

In fact, once the numbers and epidemiologists determine vaccine and natural immunity have reduced spread of the virus enough it will be critical to remove precautions to assess the long term health plan to prevent Covid from ever threatening our health care system again. 

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Funny.  The MSM thought we should be alarming everyone last year.  Now crickets as the variants start to invade.

 

Maybe you are referring to "MSN" which is not really a news outlet.

 

So your angst is directed at a "content aggregater". So a site that collects news articles from various news sources and delivers them probably based on interest trends and click counts.

 

This was their 2nd top rated corona virus story when I just checked.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02-25/new-coronavirus-variant-found-in-new-york-city

 

You are trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that simply is not true.

 

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

 

Classes are masked and socially distanced.  Part of how they managed to do this is because a significant number of parents CHOSE to keep their kids virtual.  Sports are being played.

 

 

 

 

 

Bingo!

 

Thank you for the option and right to choose to keep our kids out of the public indoctrination centers forever.  

 

And declaring in person public school non essential.  

 

Refund the tax payers.  

 

Let the computers and parents do the work.  And there is zero reason my kids need to do the "virtual learning" my county offers.  

 

Where do teachers think this logically ends.  So dumb.  If you teach and you are in your 20s or 30s, start looking for another line of work.  And abandon that major in college asap.  

 

Should save the taxpayers $100s a month in real estate taxes.  I know half my county's budget goes to the schools.

 

 

And lol if they think Democrat politicians will save them.  Yea tell that to the fossil fuels and manufacturing industries they used to support here.  Newsome is absolutely figuring out how much in property taxes he is going to save his voters.  No chance in hell Democrats are going to let Republicans get out in front of that.   RIP folks.  You slit your own throats.   

 

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31 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

There is most definitely an endgame.

 

We are going to vaccinate Covid-19 either to obscurity (polio, smallpox) or to a manageable level in society (influenza).  My guess is somewhere in the middle of this spectrum, either several years of adapted vaccines or a paradigm similar to influenza but maybe less often.

 

Right now, even though the MSM will be histrionic about mutated Covid, it does appear Covid mutates faster than previously thought.  Not as fast as influenza though.  And while the vaccines may have some degree of reduced efficacy, they are far from impotent against the mutants.

 

We are all tired of the precautions, so start by getting vaccinated at first opportunity.  Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity are critical.  We are privileged to have the finest vaccines here in the US and if anyone prompts me I can explain why. 

As the numbers change, so do the restrictions.  We need to use the vaccines to reduce the spread and concurrent natural mutations, then the numbers and science will dictate what kind of long term vaccine plan is necessary.

 

In fact, once the numbers and epidemiologists determine vaccine and natural immunity have reduced spread of the virus enough it will be critical to remove precautions to assess the long term health plan to prevent Covid from ever threatening our health care system again. 

 

 

So it wasn't about flattening the curve?

 

And you believe this mutation nonsense hook line and sinker?

 

How gullible are people? 

 

How can you not just be absolutely furious with everyone in charge taking YEARS away from your life and kids one chance at development (and the joy their parents get watching it happen).   

 

 

Being alive does not = living.  

 

This is about making every individual in every corner of the country suffer equally.  Thats ideologically where the supporters of this crap are coming from.  If you don't mitigate like us you must want to kill people.   Uh huh.  

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55 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Would it be more accurate to say state entities working with local teachers unions.

 

In my state it looks like a combination of state health and education departments coordinating and arbitrating with teacher unions to reach a consensus plan.

 

Sounds like state entities have a lion's share of the decision.

 

If unions had an arbitrary jurisdiction, they would not be suing various states over their decisions to reopen schools right?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-s-largest-teachers-union-files-suit-against-state-over-n1234382

 

 

The last line of approval is the local teachers union. This isn't complicated.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument. 

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https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

 

"Since vaccine distribution began in the U.S. on Dec. 14, more than 66 million doses have been administered, reaching 13.6% of the total U.S. population, according to federal data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The U.S. is currently administering over 1.4 million shots a day."

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/3-ways-that-the-u-s-population-will-change-over-the-next-decade#:~:text=The U.S. population today%2C at,just under 1.4 billion%2C respectively.

 

"The U.S. population at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people."

 

13.6% of 331,000,000 is 66,000,000?  I was never good at math.   

 

 

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52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The last line of approval is the local teachers union. This isn't complicated.  Everything doesn't need to be an argument. 

 

It's not an argument if I am just correcting what appears to be an oversimplification and/or misstating facts. 

 

Apparently states have the final say whether schools can reopen unless of course they are sued. Which was the case in Florida, then the FINAL "final say" went before a judge to render a verdict.

 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/24/judge-sides-with-florida-teachers-union-says-districts-should-decide-if-schools-should-reopen/

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

 

"Since vaccine distribution began in the U.S. on Dec. 14, more than 66 million doses have been administered, reaching 13.6% of the total U.S. population, according to federal data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The U.S. is currently administering over 1.4 million shots a day."

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/3-ways-that-the-u-s-population-will-change-over-the-next-decade#:~:text=The U.S. population today%2C at,just under 1.4 billion%2C respectively.

 

"The U.S. population at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people."

 

13.6% of 331,000,000 is 66,000,000?  I was never good at math.   

 

 

I'm not sure where you are going here. Some of the doses are to the same people. The vaccines take two shots. The math isn't going to be as simple as you seem to suggest.

2 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

It's not an argument if I am just correcting what appears to be an oversimplification and/or misstating facts. 

 

Apparently states have the final say whether schools can reopen unless of course they are sued. Which was the case in Florida, then the FINAL "final say" went before a judge to render a verdict.

 

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/24/judge-sides-with-florida-teachers-union-says-districts-should-decide-if-schools-should-reopen/

 

 

 

The Court ruled that the Union has the final say.  Isn't that what I said?

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17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'm not sure where you are going here. Some of the doses are to the same people. The vaccines take two shots. The math isn't going to be as simple as you seem to suggest.

Didn't make myself clear, only 6% fully treated was my point.

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40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Gotcha! But....6% is huge if they’d focus on the vulnerable population. 

The term vulnerable varies. Those in their 30's and 40's, in otherwise good health, with medicinal controlled blood pressure, can get it now in N.Y. regardless of work or not.

 

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3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

India is fully immune.  From the stupid.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just thought I would take a dip into all these sketch twitter feeds from bizarre conspiracy sites and cons. India - 100% immunity using vitamins???

 

 

 

Vendanta Empire is a reference to a messianic human reincarnation of a divine being. 

 

Re: Principia Scientific International

From media bias fact site:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

 

Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website that promotes anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change.

 

Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
World Press Freedom Rank: UK 35/180

 

Founded by John O'Sullivan 

 

More on this guy - In a libel lawsuit O’Sullivan made a series of false claims, including:

 

that he was an attorney with more than a decade of successful litigation in New York State and Federal courts; that he was employed by a major Victoria, B.C. (Canada) law firm that is representing Ball in the libel action;
that he is a widely published writer, with credits in Forbes and the National Review; that he had received his law degree from the University College, Cork, Ireland and/or from the University of Surrey (O’Sullivan’s actual legal accreditation, apparently obtained after the Mann-Ball action commenced, comes from an online degree mill, Hill University, which promises delivery in two weeks);
that he is a member of the American Bar Association.

 

One affidavit includes an online comment in which O’Sullivan says, “For your information, I am a retired academic and I have litigated personally or assisted others in pro se litigation at every level of court there is in New York State as well as Federal level, for over a decade and never lost.” 

 

Although O’Sullivan admits in this particular comment that he is not, in fact, licensed to practice law, in the U.S. or the U.K., he adds, “I’m just some Brit with a brain who can go live with his American wife in her country and kick ass big time around a courtroom.”

 

So... basically another conman leveraging social media to dupe the gullible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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