SDS Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, spartacus said: if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn if you are speaking about COVID-19 it is because research and analysis takes time. If you’re talking about taking zinc in general, zinc lozenges have been promoted for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment. Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it. The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host. The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks. I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Reality Check said: False. The nanosecond this so called pandemic hit, people should have done an assessment of their personal health and lifestyle trends. Viruses do not get eradicated. Fragments of RNA are everywhere regardless. Only your personal immune system can address these threat appropriately. Hygiene, diet, activity, and mental health are personal means of empowerment. I 100% agree with this, but people expect a magic pill to solve all their problems. The Spanish flu got eradicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, spartacus said: if so, why isn't this being promoted as important for all Americans to protect themselves why promote fear porn I don't know why about zinc; in general it has anti-viral properties but by itself likely will not curtail this epidemic. And drop the fear porn stuff, this is a highly contagious virus that has affected and killed millions across the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Yeah, and they didn't, so get over it. The way to eradicate this virus right now is to deprive the virus of a host. The way you try to do that in the absence of a vaccine is to keep the virus from spreading, and the way you do that is with good hand washing, distancing, and masks. I am not arguing that we should not all try to keep healthy immune systems, diets and such but the horse is out of the barn right now. From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said: You'll be happy with the proposed 2-3 month Biden lockdown come January - March. What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: What Biden has said is that he will listen to the experts. What the experts have said is that if we all do our part and wear masks, wash our hands, distance when we can we can help prevent spread and actually allow things to open up more. Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this? From a national standpoint? Tell everyone to wear a mask. Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint? tell everyone to wash their hands often. How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint? Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so. Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint? I get the effect on the economy and such. My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this. But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again. They just need to do those three things. Here's my question: why be so damn stubborn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations? How about people at the CDC? How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease? How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reality Check said: From a national economic standpoint, how practical is what you are suggesting? How much damage economically, socially, and mentally is required to stop this? He said good hand washing, distancing, and masks. How does that cause damage. Serious question, why does the workplace not want you to come to work when you're sick? It's so you don't infect the whole workplace. It's called mitigation, and people have been doing it for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said: Basically what we've been doing then. So no reason to lock down ever again. If we all do our part and help each other, then hopefully not. But you see what's going on now, infection rates are climbing in many states. Because people aren't listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: From a national standpoint? Tell everyone to wear a mask. Why would that be hard to do from a national standpoint? tell everyone to wash their hands often. How is that hard to accomplish from a national standpoint? Tell everyone to distance when it is possible to do so. Why is that hard to do from a national standpoint? I get the effect on the economy and such. My daughter is an actor and her field has been really hit hard by this. But in my community businesses are open, churches are allowing folks in again. They just need to do those three things. Here's my question: why be so damn stubborn? I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: here's another big word. Mitigate. Masks are not 100% effective and no one has said they are. But they are a part of a strategy to mitigate spread. they don't mitigate anything they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said: Yet the all cause mortality has not risen for 2020. Running at the same rate as years past. I have no clue what this even implies?? So no one died of Covid. It really is a hoax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, spartacus said: they don't mitigate anything they enhance the spread by freeing droplet bound virus particles to travel farther Every competent scientists says you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: How about people at the CDC? How about folks like Dr. Fauci who is the world authority of infectious disease? How about experts in epidemiology and other infection disease and public health experts who have spent their professional lives dedicated to figuring these things out? That's one name, Fauci. Who else? Your faith in bureaucracies composed of billions of dollars in profit motives for its "experts" might be misplaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: I have no clue what this even implies?? So no one died of Covid. It really is a hoax? Try thinking about what he posted for a little while. You can't call it a pandemic when average total annual deaths haven't been affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reality Check said: I can ask you why you are so stubborn, but I won't. Neither one of us is under any obligation to acquiesce to the other. That is the beauty of our Constitutional Republic. I'll disengage with you if you want to stop talking about it with me. We are free men after all. My opinions are based on the science. If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science. That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term. We are free men. I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease. What are you doing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Which experts? Which scientists? Do they have names? Are they just the ones approved for national TV stations? I think it would be easier to list all the doctors who believe mitigation measure don't work. Plus they're easy to find, because they all live in Alabama, and they think Jesus is gonna solve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: My opinions are based on the science. If there is anything worse than the deaths that have occurred from Covid and the economic impact, it is that the pandemic has shown us that we have a society that increasingly refuses to accept things like data and fact and science. That may be more dangerous than anything for the long term. We are free men. I express my freedom by doing what I can to help make sure my neighbor doesn't get this disease. What are you doing? Your opinions are not based on the science. They are based on the opinions of scientists. A handful of scientists I might add who have a profit motive. You yourself haven't seem to attempted to quantify the situation independently for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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