shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: So deaths that occur in clusters are more tragic than those that occur continually? Do you remember what travel was like on September 10? If you do, then you know the answer. And as far as these deaths go, they would not spike up to where they are now, and then go away, so yes, we need to react to these deaths in a different way. If Covid-19 is here every year killing 100K+ people a year for the foreseeable future, then it will become something we get used to dealing with in the same way we deal with cancer, driving deaths, etc. But right now our healthcare, morgues, nursing homes etc cannot deal with this. Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: Do you remember what travel was like on September 10? If you do, then you know the answer. And as far as these deaths go, they would not spike up to where they are now, and then go away, so yes, we need to react to these deaths in a different way. If Covid-19 is here every year filling 100K people, then it will become something we get used to dealing with in the same way we deal with cancer, driving deaths, etc. I edited my post that you responded to. My point is not that we shouldn’t be reacting to these deaths in a different way. My point was how far do we go? My illustration of the millions of deaths that occurred in this country every year was to say that there are hundreds of thousands of deaths that occur every year in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to to prevent them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!! lol is this all you guys got? Only thing you can come here with knowledge is sht sandwiches. Jesus you guys eat sht sandwiches? I want no part of you're guys weird food diets. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, TH3 said: ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!! you're an unequaled idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Elective surgeries resuming cannot come soon enough. A lot of hospitals are getting ready to lay off staff (if they have not already started). The small hospital where I live have 60 on lay off , dentist emergencies only. When this started it was to save PPE for metro NYC Once they have enough stock and low volume covid they should restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: I edited my post that you responded to. My point is not that we shouldn’t be reacting to these deaths in a different way. My point was how far do we go? My illustration of the millions of deaths that occurred in this country every year was to say that there are hundreds of thousands of deaths that occur every year in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to to prevent them? We don't shut down. We can't stay shut down here either. I think the federal level system unveiled yesterday makes a lot of sense to get out of this. I expect states will follow some of these courses (1) States/regions will go through the phases and return to normal without tracing/tracking (best case, unlikely) (2) State/regions will bounce between levels 0-1-2 and back multiple times, while ignoring tracing/tracking and fudging other requirements, growing herd immunity but messing with the economy over a longer course of time (most likely) (3) States will do some bouncing and then get on board with tracing and tracking and move through the phases linearly (4) States will try the guidelines and eventually just say ***** it and trample the dead bodies on the way to herd immunity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Americans are waking up, save for the 35% that are just plain racist and dumb AF. Trump’s poll numbers continue to decline. 2/3 of Americans say he acted too slowly. 2/3 of Americans say they are concerned about reopening too quickly. 73% expect the outbreak to get worse. Most Americans Say Trump Was Too Slow in Initial Response to Coronavirus Threat | Wide concern that states will lift COVID-19 restrictions too quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Key Bank for me. Long story short, my wife submitted her app, I submitted mine. Seems the fact that we used the same email address (our home address) brought the entire %$#@ing system down. My wife's was approved, which helps assuming they fund--they assure us they will, mine still lost in limbo. 20 phone calls, emails, promises but in the end, nothing. Credit union squeeze was diff. Exec level manager told me they tried to help many, probably too many, and were too stringent. I'm really sorry to hear about your issues Snaf, best of luck on the next go round. At least you got to talk with a human wrt your Credit Union. With Chase, I did get a human, but he’s like the low man at the car dealership. Can’t talk to anyone else. I chose snafu for my screen name based upon personal experience. Good luck to you, too, Len. The money isn’t desperate by any stretch, but I’m only speaking for me, not my staff — who may feel different and who are relying on me. 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: So deaths that occur in clusters are more tragic than those that occur continually? My point is, there are a lot of deaths that occur every day in this country that are preventable. To what degree do we go to prevent them? Experts barely understand this virus and how to treat it. Gotta give them a bit more time. That’s my view. And by “a bit” I mean not a lot. Now is treatment focused, as far as I’d do things. Open up slowly to keep hospitalizations and the R-factor down. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, TH3 said: ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!! Is that what you took away from that? FYI, they are not loans if used to keep folks employed and fund payroll, the PPP extends grant money, ya silly goose. On your point about being connected--I agree with you, those with the capacity and power get in line first and have the resources to get things accomplished that I do not. That's an unfortunate part of life, but it's a reality that is on a continuous auto-loop decade after decade after decade. As an example, @transplantbillsfan indicated he is a teacher. Seems like a nice enough guy, probably has a couple loose screws upstairs ?, who knows--maybe he feels the same about me, or thinks about me not at all. I don't know where he works, but let's assume he's a teacher in the public school system. Relative to most Americans, he would be a have. Income continues unchecked, benefits continue unchecked, pension continues unchecked and ultimately unmarred by market performance on the down side. There has not been one call, one scream, nor even a whisper to stop/forgive/defer/negotiate property and school taxes even though "people are hurting". I'm self employed, my business is impacted and I shared my PPP story. I still have to figure a way to pay the king come October, like it or not, income challenged or not. He's a have*. I'm a have not. Do we really have to pretend this doesn't play out everyday across the country, pandemic or not? It seems silly to me. I wish nothing but good things for Transpy as a human being, but the facts are what they are. Stay safe. *Again, in my analogy, the presumption is Transplant isn't the Sex Ed teacher at Cardinal O'Hara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: lol is this all you guys got? Only thing you can come here with knowledge is sht sandwiches. Jesus you guys eat sht sandwiches? I want no part of you're guys weird food diets. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 COVID19 update, April 16, 2020: Germany’s exit roadmap; brief Belgium update; UPDATE: Switzerland’s time table. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, shoshin said: We don't shut down. We can't stay shut down here either. I think the federal level system unveiled yesterday makes a lot of sense to get out of this. I expect states will follow some of these courses (1) States/regions will go through the phases and return to normal without tracing/tracking (best case, unlikely) (2) State/regions will bounce between levels 0-1-2 and back multiple times, while ignoring tracing/tracking and fudging other requirements, growing herd immunity but messing with the economy over a longer course of time (most likely) (3) States will do some bouncing and then get on board with tracing and tracking and move through the phases linearly (4) States will try the guidelines and eventually just say ***** it and trample the dead bodies on the way to herd immunity I don’t disagree with this. My original post was to someone wanting an indefinite shut down until the virus is completely under control 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Americans are waking up, save for the 35% that are just plain racist and dumb AF. Go back to sleep child, let the adults handle this. Another NPC for the ignore list! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The damage China has done to the world is catastrophic . The very least they could have done is not charge for PPE , ventilators and related meds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 If the left is still thinking, as billstime suggests, that their opponents are merely driven by being "racist and dumb af" then they didn't learn ***** from 2016 and will endure another lesson in 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TH3 said: ha....look at the two posters above who couldn't get a biz loan....why....because they weren't for you...they were for the connected....and they blame it on the "dems" .....another sht sandwhich on order please!! So then why did the dems approve it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 We need to reopen................ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: …..perhaps some good news...…….. Experimental coronavirus drug remdesivir shows promise in Chicago trial, report says By James Rogers | Fox News The experimental COVID-19 treatment remdesivir is showing promise in a Chicago clinical trial, according to the health news site STAT. STAT reported that patients in the trial experienced rapid recoveries from fever and respiratory symptoms. Nearly all patients were discharged in less than a week, it said. The news sent shares of remdesivir developer Gilead Sciences surging more than 14 percent in after-hours trading. Some 125 people with COVID-19 -- 113 with severe symptoms -- were recruited by the University of Chicago Medicine into the two Gilead Phase 3 clinical trials, according to STAT. The news site obtained a recorded video discussion of the trial results. In the video, Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies, said that most of the patients had already been discharged and only two had perished, according to STAT. “Partial data from an ongoing clinical trial is by definition incomplete and should never be used to draw conclusions about the safety or efficacy of a potential treatment that is under investigation," said a spokeswoman for University of Chicago Medicine, in a statement emailed to Fox News."In this case, information from an internal forum for research colleagues concerning work in progress was released without authorization. Drawing any conclusions at this point is premature and scientifically unsound.” https://www.foxnews.com/science/experimental-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-chicago-trial-shows-promise Does Trump have $90 or so invested in Gilead? If not, it can be used. Otherwise, look for an alternative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, KRC said: Does Trump have $90 or so invested in Gilead? If not, it can be used. Otherwise, look for an alternative. Even worse, I hear that a member of Trump's administration has a friend who knows a guy who invested $12 into the company that makes the drug. Total corruption. Trump is an actual literal super mecha-Hitler. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: Even worse, I hear that a member of Trump's administration has a friend who knows a guy who invested $12 into the company that makes the drug. Total corruption. Trump is an actual literal super mecha-Hitler. IMPEACH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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