The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Wow, that was a LONG post.

And you had to quote the whole thing. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Yes that is most likely true, but Fox is REALLY good at getting people to hate the Democrat, so it's no guarantee he'd lose.  

 

As for you saying earlier you're upset no one went to jail, well if they started putting people in government away, they'd be doing it a LOT, so they kinda give each other a pass.  Also, remember in this country the more you steal the less the punishment.  

1st point- The following outlets are REALLY damn good at getting people to HATE Republicans over time as well: CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Bloomberg, PBS, NPR (which the US GOVT funds, ironically), and almost ALL newspapers.

 

2nd point- I kinda agree with you on the principle of your point, but at a certain time this has to stop. I appreciate your honesty by acknowledging that this is indeed going on, I really do, but I think this needs to stop. Yesterday. I feel like this is so widespread, and I agree it would cripple our government to put all guilty parties in Leavenworth (or worse, eventually) because it is so damned widespread. Therefore, some VERY high profile guilty parties in the spotlight right here right now need to be punished to the FULLEST extent of the law by the most EXTREME measures allowed under the penal code, as a deterrent to those other bad actors chuckling from the peanut gallery. 

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And you had to quote the whole thing. 

Sorry! 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, Nanker said:

 

I should have posted this earlier.
 

Totally anecdotal but here’s my story. 
I was bitten by a deer tick a little over two years ago and just after returning from China. Oddly enough, Wuhan was the city we visited after landing in Shanghai. 
 

I had the bullseye rash, swelling, and pain. The tick was still in me and I went to emergent care here on The Cape. The Doc pulled the rest of it out (I got most of it out) but the head was still burrowed deep. 
 

Bottom line - we “Sent a tick to college” which is a program here that lets you send your biting bug to a lab for analysis of several diseases -Lyme being the main one -BUT not the ONLY one. 
 

My results came back positive for Lyme and another nasty little f ***** r.  The Doc had already given me a script for Doxycycline and I was on it for a few weeks. Doxy rips up your stomach, but you have to take the full regimen because Lyme is line syphilis- if you don’t knock it out, it can leave bugs in your blood that will turn your brain into sauerkraut in about 30 years. 
 

BG, I’m older than your uncle. I’m a symptomatic (for Lyme) lots of other symptoms, but that out of scope right now. But the key to controlling the disease is getting treatment ASAP and sticking with the regimen. 
 

Let me introduce you to  Larry The Tick Guy

I’ve met and talked with him several times (before and after the bite). If you want to know more about these little nasty bastages, he’s a great source. 
 

Hope the OP’s relative is doing well. That said, getting out on a respirator so quickly doesn’t sound like Lyme disease.  Hope it’s overreaction by the MDs. 
 

Thanks man.

Hope you are feeling well buddy take care you're self.  Goes away for good for you man. Tick are no joke. Ya last year my mother got one worried forever. But she's doing well today. My friend's daughter last year got one as well but got it out right away. Lyme can be tricky. Researched lots to lyme.

 

I mean my sister and her daughter,  I think called niece to me might be getting myself confused lol( uncle to her).  My sister is in her 40s lol.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[GG]

8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

More Red Herrings 

 

So irritating.

 

You made a claim that the article was bull####, so I asked you to prove it.

 

Your timeline does not disprove what's in the article.

 

So again, you made that statement, the onus is on you to prove the article itself is bull####, please do.

 

Here, I will pull out most of the major points for you to read since I'm sure you didn't:

 

Which points are incorrect and do you have proof?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/

The most consequential failure involved a breakdown in efforts to develop a diagnostic test that could be mass produced and distributed across the United States, enabling agencies to map early outbreaks of the disease, and impose quarantine measures to contain them. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/

 

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The poll showed that far more Republicans than Democrats were being influenced by Trump’s dismissive depictions of the virus and the comparably scornful coverage on Fox News and other conservative networks. As a result, Republicans were in distressingly large numbers refusing to change travel plans, follow “social distancing” guidelines, stock up on supplies or otherwise take the coronavirus threat seriously.

 

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The group, which included Azar, Pottinger and Fauci, as well as nine others across the administration, formed the core of what would become the administration’s coronavirus task force. But it primarily focused on efforts to keep infected people in China from traveling to the United States even while evacuating thousands of U.S. citizens. The meetings did not seriously focus on testing or supplies, which have since become the administration’s most challenging problems.

 

The task force was formally announced on Jan. 29.

 

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On Jan. 29, Mulvaney chaired a meeting in the White House Situation Room in which officials debated moving travel restrictions to “Level 4,” meaning a “do not travel” advisory from the State Department. Then, the next day, China took the draconian step of locking down the entire Hubei province, which encompasses Wuhan.

 

That move by Beijing finally prompted a commensurate action by the Trump administration. On Jan. 31, Azar announced restrictions barring any non-U.S. citizen who had been in China during the preceding two weeks from entering the United States.

 

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But by that point, 300,000 people had come into the United States from China over the previous month. There were only 7,818 confirmed cases around the world at the end of January, according to figures released by the World Health Organization — but it is now clear that the virus was spreading uncontrollably.

 

Pottinger was by then pushing for another travel ban, this time restricting the flow of travelers from Italy and other nations in the European Union that were rapidly emerging as major new nodes of the outbreak. Pottinger’s proposal was endorsed by key health-care officials, including Fauci, who argued that it was critical to close off any path the virus might take into the country.

 

This time, the plan met with resistance from Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and others who worried about the impact on the U.S. economy. It was an early sign of tension in an area that would split the administration, pitting those who prioritized public health against those determined to avoid any disruption in an election year to the run of expansion and employment growth.

 

Those backing the economy prevailed with the president. And it was more than a month before the administration issued a belated and confusing ban on flights into the United States from Europe. Hundreds of thousands of people crossed the Atlantic during that interval.

 

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A national stockpile of N95 protective masks, gowns, gloves and other supplies was already woefully inadequate after years of underfunding. 

 

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Azar then spoke to Russell Vought, the acting director of the White House Office of Management and Budget, during Trump’s State of the Union speech on Feb. 4. Vought seemed amenable, and told Azar to submit a proposal.

 

Azar did so the next day, drafting a supplemental request for more than $4 billion, a sum that OMB officials and others at the White House greeted as an outrage. Azar arrived at the White House that day for a tense meeting in the Situation Room that erupted in a shouting match, according to three people familiar with the incident.

 

A deputy in the budget office accused Azar of preemptively lobbying Congress for a gigantic sum that White House officials had no interest in granting. Azar bristled at the criticism and defended the need for an emergency infusion. But his standing with White House officials, already shaky before the coronavirus crisis began, was damaged further.

 

White House officials relented to a degree weeks later as the feared coronavirus surge in the United States began to materialize. The OMB team whittled Azar’s demands down to $2.5 billion, money that would be available only in the current fiscal year. Congress ignored that figure, approving an $8 billion supplemental bill that Trump signed into law March 6.

 

But again, delays proved costly. The disputes meant that the United States missed a narrow window to stockpile ventilators, masks and other protective gear before the administration was bidding against many other desperate nations, and state officials fed up with federal failures began scouring for supplies themselves.

 

In late March, the administration ordered 10,000 ventilators — far short of what public health officials and governors said was needed. And many will not arrive until the summer or fall, when models expect the pandemic to be receding.

 

“It’s actually kind of a joke,” said one administration official involved in deliberations about the belated purchase.

 

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Although viruses travel unseen, public health officials have developed elaborate ways of mapping and tracking their movements. Stemming an outbreak or slowing a pandemic in many ways comes down to the ability to quickly divide the population into those who are infected and those who are not.

 

Doing so, however, hinges on having an accurate test to diagnose patients and deploy it rapidly to labs across the country. The time it took to accomplish that in the United States may have been more costly to American efforts than any other failing.

 

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Among the costliest errors was a misplaced assessment by top health officials that the outbreak would probably be limited in scale inside the United States — as had been the case with every other infection for decades — and that the CDC could be trusted on its own to develop a coronavirus diagnostic test.

 

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 As expected, a long-winded deflection of the real cause of the spread of the outbreak, where there was still confusion of how the virus is spread and the nonchalant attitude by all health officials that the American public shouldn't be concerned as late as March.  Not having enough tests in January or February for a completely new virus is far down the line in identifying what actually went wrong, and sure enough WaPo is giving China a pass. 

 

Even if these tests were available by some miracle, they would have done nothing to slow the spread, because there was no protocols to administer the test, the tests would have been sent to CA & WA, the logical places for the initial outbreak and no ability for proper tracing of upstream and downstream contacts of infected individuals.  Enough with the ventilator talk, too, because they don't cure the infirm.

 

Instead, the health officials needed to focus their attention on prevention, but didn't know how to react, because they were duped by China and WHO.

 

But, other than 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

nevermind

Edited April 5, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Magox]

16 minutes ago, GG said:

 

 As expected, a long-winded deflection of the real cause of the spread of the outbreak, where there was still confusion of how the virus is spread and the nonchalant attitude by all health officials that the American public shouldn't be concerned as late as March.  Not having enough tests in January or February for a completely new virus is far down the line in identifying what actually went wrong, and sure enough WaPo is giving China a pass. 

 

Even if these tests were available by some miracle, they would have done nothing to slow the spread, because there was no protocols to administer the test, the tests would have been sent to CA & WA, the logical places for the initial outbreak and no ability for proper tracing of upstream and downstream contacts of infected individuals.  Enough with the ventilator talk, too, because they don't cure the infirm.

 

Instead, the health officials needed to focus their attention on prevention, but didn't know how to react, because they were duped by China and WHO.

 

But, other than 

Why bother?

 

its clear to anyone who doesn’t have an agenda and is informed on the matter that China is to blame and the entire Western Hemisphere was caught off guard.  I don’t blame transplant, he’s just  one of many who only parrot what they read from mainstream outlets.   It’s the media and their incessant desire to undermine this administration and actively go out of their way to erode public trust.

 

unfortunately for them the media’s influence isn’t what it used to be.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/boris-johnson-hospitalized-after-experiencing-coronavirus-symptoms-pms-office-says

 

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was admitted to a hospital after suffering from coronavirus symptoms 10 days after testing positive, his office announced Sunday.

Downing Street officials said the hospitalization was a “precautionary step” and he remained in charge of the government.

A spokesperson said: “On the advice of his doctor, the prime minister has tonight been admitted to hospital for tests. This is a precautionary step, as the prime minister continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive for the virus. The prime minister thanks [National Health Service] staff for all of their incredible hard work and urges the public to continue to follow the government’s advice to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.”

Johnson had been showing persistent symptoms including a high temperature, Sky News reported.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, Kevbeau said:

So my team builds analytic models. Primarily what we’re doing now is to determine short/long term impact to our business via shifts in buying behavior, lack of access, economic tightening, etc...

 

we are making A LOT of assumptions based in the most educated way possible, using similar (maybe) instances in the past. We are providing  best/worst/most probable scenarios to our Company leadership because the error range is enormous.

 

The virus models are no different.

 

I think B-Man had a quote in one of his posts 

“All models are wrong, some are useful” (George Box I believe) which is so true.

 

 

The problem is that we’re building public and social policy on said models that are being revealed as very inaccurate. 

[daz28]

51 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

1st point- The following outlets are REALLY damn good at getting people to HATE Republicans over time as well: CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, Bloomberg, PBS, NPR (which the US GOVT funds, ironically), and almost ALL newspapers.

 

2nd point- I kinda agree with you on the principle of your point, but at a certain time this has to stop. I appreciate your honesty by acknowledging that this is indeed going on, I really do, but I think this needs to stop. Yesterday. I feel like this is so widespread, and I agree it would cripple our government to put all guilty parties in Leavenworth (or worse, eventually) because it is so damned widespread. Therefore, some VERY high profile guilty parties in the spotlight right here right now need to be punished to the FULLEST extent of the law by the most EXTREME measures allowed under the penal code, as a deterrent to those other bad actors chuckling from the peanut gallery. 

Sorry! 

1. It's pointless to say any news source is more/less polar than another, because they have your number anyways.  Frank Luntz started tracking, and with all the data they collect now, no one has a chance.  They know exactly how you think, and exactly how to make you think what they want you to.  The HBO series Westworld is pretty good at illustrating this.  

 

2.  Richard Nixon was a huge criminal, and Gerry Ford let him off the hook.  Ron Reagan was a criminal, and G Bush let him off the hook.  I could go on FOREVER, but you already know.  With all this Trump nonsense happening I'd say there's close to zero chance that anyone EVER gets more than a slap on the wrist.  You're ABSOLUTELY right they should be held accountable, especially to maintain any sense of integrity in our government, but it's a pipe dream.

[fansince88]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

1. It's pointless to say any news source is more/less polar than another, because they have your number anyways.  Frank Luntz started tracking, and with all the data they collect now, no one has a chance.  They know exactly how you think, and exactly how to make you think what they want you to.  The HBO series Westworld is pretty good at illustrating this.  

 

2.  Richard Nixon was a huge criminal, and Gerry Ford let him off the hook.  Ron Reagan was a criminal, and G Bush let him off the hook.  I could go on FOREVER, but you already know.  With all this Trump nonsense happening I'd say there's close to zero chance that anyone EVER gets more than a slap on the wrist.  You're ABSOLUTELY right they should be held accountable, especially to maintain any sense of integrity in our government, but it's a pipe dream.

Here is a good slanted broadcast to  prove your point. 

 

[daz28]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/boris-johnson-hospitalized-after-experiencing-coronavirus-symptoms-pms-office-says

 

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was admitted to a hospital after suffering from coronavirus symptoms 10 days after testing positive, his office announced Sunday.

Downing Street officials said the hospitalization was a “precautionary step” and he remained in charge of the government.

A spokesperson said: “On the advice of his doctor, the prime minister has tonight been admitted to hospital for tests. This is a precautionary step, as the prime minister continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive for the virus. The prime minister thanks [National Health Service] staff for all of their incredible hard work and urges the public to continue to follow the government’s advice to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.”

Johnson had been showing persistent symptoms including a high temperature, Sky News reported.

I know Boris isn't the brightest guy, but he bragged about shaking hands, and now he's putting those health care workers at risk, and he's using much needed resources, because of his bravado/stupidity.  I wonder if Trump will wear a mask now??

[B-Man]

 

Wuhan Flu: “This is a completely new disease.”

 

 

 

 

WELL, THINGS USUALLY DON’T. THAT’S WHY IT’S CALLED A “WORST CASE.” 

 

Bill Gates Says Virus Death Toll May Not Reach Experts’ Worst Case.

 

 

 

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[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

Wuhan Flu: “This is a completely new disease.”

 

 

 

 

WELL, THINGS USUALLY DON’T. THAT’S WHY IT’S CALLED A “WORST CASE.” 

 

Bill Gates Says Virus Death Toll May Not Reach Experts’ Worst Case.

 

 

 

/

 

Right . In the end Gates sound like back tracked.  Won't be bad but thing's won't go normal until vaccine. He's not making any sense lol.

[B-Man]

PERSONALLY, I THINK THE PEOPLE CRITICIZING HIM ARE JUST RACISTS, STRAIGHT UP.   

 

Isn't that how it works ?

 

 

 Coronavirus: Surgeon General admits he shouldn’t have compared virus to the flu and says ‘let’s focus on the next 30 days not the last 30.’

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WUHAN CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: Queen Elizabeth speaks. She’s seen some stuff.

 

 

 

 

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[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

More Red Herrings 

 

So irritating.

 

You made a claim that the article was bull####, so I asked you to prove it.

 

Your timeline does not disprove what's in the article.

 

So again, you made that statement, the onus is on you to prove the article itself is bull####, please do.

 

Here, I will pull out most of the major points for you to read since I'm sure you didn't:

 

Which points are incorrect and do you have proof?

 

h

 

 

What I put in the timeline was accutrate information. I asked you to answer a simple question in your own words. You couldn't do it. I don't want to read articles I have already read. I want you to tell us at which point in January and February (your timeframe) should the administration and other leaders around the world have reasonably known the magnitude of what was coming worlwide - and why?

 

I.N. Y.O.U.R. O.W.N. W.O.R.D.S.

 

Coward

[B-Man]

 

San Diego Sheriff brags about giving out $1000 fines to people for sitting in their cars at the beach

 

 

 

 

This should not need to be said, but since there seems to be so much concern by Leftists here.

 

 

Do not take pills because of Trump.

 

Do not dismiss out of hand because of Trump.

 

Be a functioning adult and ask a doctor.

 

.

Edited April 5, 2020 by B-Man

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Agree with President Trump press conference saving lives.  Very good one.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[B-Man]

Still Stuck At Home, But Good News About COVID Coming In From Around The World

 

Americans are being asked to continue to stay at home and quarantine, as well as continue employing social distancing guidelines, but President Donald Trump said at a press conference Sunday that there is “light at the end of the tunnel.”

 

My colleague Streiff wrote about the news out of New York today that the state may have “turned a corner” as hospital discharges were outpacing new admissions for the 4th straight day.

 

But there’s even more good news coming in from around the world. In France, for example, the last 24 hours has seen fewer deaths in hospitals in the last 24 hours.

 

 

Germany had a relatively low rate of infection and death relative to the rest of Europe, but it, too, has reported three straight days of fewer coronavirus cases.

Sunday’s figure amounted to a drop of 146 cases compared with 6,082 new infections recorded on Saturday, itself a fall from 6,174 new infections on Friday.

Even better, places that have been hard hit have reported some encouraging news as well. Italy, which, outside of China, has been one of the hardest hit, has reported a drop in new ICU cases for the first time since the pandemic began.

 

More at the link:

[daz28]

I think he just literally ripped the do no harm page right out of the ethics textbook

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

1. It's pointless to say any news source is more/less polar than another, because they have your number anyways.  Frank Luntz started tracking, and with all the data they collect now, no one has a chance.  They know exactly how you think, and exactly how to make you think what they want you to.  The HBO series Westworld is pretty good at illustrating this.  

 

2.  Richard Nixon was a huge criminal, and Gerry Ford let him off the hook.  Ron Reagan was a criminal, and G Bush let him off the hook.  I could go on FOREVER, but you already know.  With all this Trump nonsense happening I'd say there's close to zero chance that anyone EVER gets more than a slap on the wrist.  You're ABSOLUTELY right they should be held accountable, especially to maintain any sense of integrity in our government, but it's a pipe dream.

Do you want to explain that?