Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) I was happy to see KC beat Tennessee last night and overall I like the team. I think Mahomes is awesome and I like Andy Reid and hope he wins the big game. I also realized that the Bills could’ve drafted Mahomes and elected to trade out of the pick. It would have been nice but I understand the circumstances and moved on. At no time did I say “Ugh WE could’ve have Mahomes.” But then I opened Twitter and my timeline was bombarded with the negative revisionist Bills fans crying....literally crying because the Bills had a chance to draft Mahomes and he is now head to the Super Bowl. Then the media jumped in: I’ll say that if we could go back to 2017, I would definitely draft Mahomes but it doesn’t work that way. There were some huge fans of Mahomes in the 2017 draft but a lot of detractors as well. Give credit to Any Reid and KC for making the jump, but they were in a position where they could tolerate a high risk/high risk reward pick. McDermott probably wasn’t. Also the situation at One Bills Drive was still a mess. McDermott was hired but Terry didn’t want to fire Doug Whaley. It could have been because he wanted to protect their draft intel or because he simply likes Doug and was hoping he’d work with McDermott. He probably should have just fired Doug and brought in Brandon Beane in January. The 4 months before the draft would’ve been hectic as hell but it can be done. People who hate McDermott love to pin this pick on him. But if you are mad that the Bills missed on Mahomes blame Terry for keeping a lame duck GM in power and creating a less than optimal situation. Back to the 2017 draft, I don’t blame McDermott for not wanting to select a QB with his first career defining draft pick. Would you trust Doug Whaley and his staff who haven’t been very successful in the draft and who are on their way out? Or would you make a bold move by stepping outside of your knowledge/experience base and roll the dice on a QB, knowing that your career probably depends on the pick and that the hit rate on QB’s up until that point was low? Plus you have to remember that many analysts were saying 2018 was THE draft for the QB’s. It seems to me that McDermott predictably did the practical thing and traded down for an extra first. It allowed him to stay in his lane and draft an All-Pro cornerstone to his defense. It also gave the new GM a chance to properly evaluate all QB’s a year in advance and the capital to trade up for one. Also as Marcel pointed out, it’s important to remember they did pick up an All-Pro CB who will likely be playing in Buffalo for years to come, a Pro Bowl LB (ditto), and a QB in Allen who has shown promise - but ultimately the jury is still out on him. The bigger things to remember is in 2017, they went 17 straight seasons without a playoff appearance. They made the playoffs in 2 out of the past 3 years and look to be building a solid foundation. Plus there’s still the question as to whether Mahomes would have been been successful in Buffalo give the situation, offensive personnel and coaching from great minds like Rick Dennison and David Culley. He came into a perfect situation in KC and wouldn’t have that in Buffalo. So in 2020, should the Bills have taken Mahomes? Absolutely. But remember he’s go #1 overall if we had the benefit of hindsight. But in 2017 it was more nuanced given the situation and I feel that many people forget all of this when tweeting like they did last night. It was far from as obvious as people make it seem. While it looks like not drafting Mahomes was a missed opportunity, the Bills didn’t let it ruin their franchise and seemed to have faired much better over past three seasons than they have in the past two decades. I think Bills fans need to think about all factors before whining and crying about this. And ultimately....I think Bills fans need to move the F on. Edited January 20, 2020 by Phil The Thrill 13 5 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 it's been time to move on for a while. it would be way more fun to have him on this team, but it's not longer an option, so move on. i wonder if chicago fans have this much trouble with it. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Seems like a bit of a misleading title. From the tweets you quoted, shouldn't it be more like "Jerry Sullivan, Time to Move On with Pat Mahomes"? or maybe "Bills Press, Time to Move on with Pat Mahomes"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seems like a bit of a misleading title. From the tweets you quoted, shouldn't it be more like "Jerry Sullivan, Time to Move On with Pat Mahomes"? or maybe "Bills Press, Time to Move on with Pat Mahomes"? I’ll change it.... but what I left out is the hundreds of tweets from Bills fans who were crying. To be fair - it wasn’t just Sully. Fairburn and other echoed the same sentiment and their reaction was in response to fans either complaining or trying to justify the Mahomes decision Edited January 20, 2020 by Phil The Thrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: I’ll change it.... but what I left out is the hundreds of tweets from Bills fans who were crying. To be fair - it wasn’t just Sully. Fairburn and other echoed the same sentiment OK, "Bills Press" then. My deal with Picks Past is once you look at the players we didn't take and could have, where do you stop? We should never have traded Darryl Lamonica. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, "Bills Press" then. My deal with Picks Past is once you look at the players we didn't take and could have, where do you stop? We should never have traded Darryl Lamonica. I agree. Not sure why Mahomes is any different. And it’s not just the Bills. It happens with EVERY franchise. I think you have to accept that these things happen and move on. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, "Bills Press" then. My deal with Picks Past is once you look at the players we didn't take and could have, where do you stop? We should never have traded Darryl Lamonica. Frankly, I'm still not over it? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I have no problem moving on. The problem comes from fans that won’t admit Mahomes is great. Why can’t they admit that? Admit it was a mistake to draft Nathan Peterman then a project QB the following year instead of Mahomes and then move on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seems like a bit of a misleading title. From the tweets you quoted, shouldn't it be more like "Jerry Sullivan, Time to Move On with Pat Mahomes"? or maybe "Bills Press, Time to Move on with Pat Mahomes"? Come on. Anybody here knows that there is a large number of posters who repeatedly bring this “issue“ up. The OP is correct. It is not just the press. personally, I find these posts tiresome and whiny. So many living in a nonexistent past. You would think that we were the only team that passed on him. on the other hand, if it’s any posters right and privilege to continue to talk about this. I would propose an ongoing thread for those posters who just can’t let go of this. But no such posts in any other threads. Just my opinion 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dollars 2 donuts Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, teef said: it's been time to move on for a while. it would be way more fun to have him on this team, but it's not longer an option, so move on. i wonder if chicago fans have this much trouble with it. I know, teef, I know...I know...but I wanted him. That's what makes this hard. I am a Josh backer, and I probably wanted Watson more...but I honestly wanted Mahomes and it is just hard. Edited January 20, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Chemical said: I have no problem moving on. The problem comes from fans that won’t admit Mahomes is great. Why can’t they admit that? Admit it was a mistake to draft Nathan Peterman then a project QB the following year instead of Mahomes and then move on. I don’t think anyone can disagree, but some fans need to realize the factors that went into the decision (which I outlined) and the fact the in 2017 drafting Mahomes isn’t the no-brained that it is in 2020 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 No way. How will these bloggers and Bills beat writers properly push buttons of their own fan base so they can get a rise out of watching the RT, Likes, and attention thrown their way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: I know, teef, I know...I know...but I wanted him. That's what makes this hard. I am a Josh backer, and I probably wanted Watson more...but I honestly wanted Mahommes and it is just hard. This is the crying I referred to 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 What keeps getting lost in all of this is that if the Bills had stayed put at 10, they reportedly would not have drafted Mahomes anyway. They were prepared to take Lattimore there and had a provisional trade in place with the Chiefs that was finally cemented when the Chiefs agreed to throw in the 2017 3rd rounder in addition to the 2017 and 2018 1st rounders. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) If Mahomes has been drafted by Buffalo he would probably be on a similar trajectory we see from Josh now. We can debate if Daboll is the answer at OC all day, but we can’t debate if Daboll is as good as Reid. Edited January 20, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Like A Mofo said: No way. How will these bloggers and Bills beat writers properly push buttons of their own fan base so they can get a rise out of watching the RT, Likes, and attention thrown their way? Yep, to a degree this is part of it. Especially with Sully. There’s a “Sully” in every market - a columnist who tries to write provocative to get the fan base to react. Fairburn not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: I know, teef, I know...I know...but I wanted him. That's what makes this hard. I am a Josh backer, and I probably wanted Watson more...but I honestly wanted Mahomes and it is just hard. i'm sure watching him play makes it even harder. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Oh please, not this crap for two weeks (and then some). This is the most tiresome argument ever. I was one of the few way back on BBMB that said the Bills SHOULD draft Mahomes at 10 and I got roasted for it. MANY, MANY folks were very skeptical about Mahomes as an NFL QB. Now these same people who didn’t want Mahomes are the same people roasting the Bills for not taking him. Give me a break with saying the Bills should have taken Mahomes. Like I said, at the time in the 2017 NFL draft, I am almost certain that a ton of you folks were not even close to being sold on Mahomes. Give me a break with getting on the Bills for doing what they did. Move the blank on already. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Yep, to a degree this is part of it. Especially with Sully. There’s a “Sully” in every market - a columnist who tries to write provocative to get the fan base to react. Fairburn not so much Agree. Let's be fair about 95-100 percent of all that cover sports when it comes to social media: Everyone craves attention 24X7x365 and will say virtually anything to satisfy that insatiable appetite for likes, retweets, and getting people pissed off in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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