Da webster guy Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 The sack numbers were great, but even if PFF is a joke, there has to be SOME merit in their analysis no? PFF gives Jordan Phillips an overall grade of 51.8, which ranks 153rd out of 197 defensive linemen in the league. His pass-rush grade of 60.5 ranks 94th among defensive linemen. Of Phillips' 583 snaps in 2019, 362 were in pass rush (putting him 40th among D-linemen) and 218 were against the run, according to PFF. He played 52.4% of the Bills' defensive snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) The eyeball test says he was a pretty good pass rusher, but while he did make a lot of plays on his own, some of the sack production he had was the direct result of someone else pushing the play and Phillips finishing it up. Also, in my opinion, for someone his size, he was pretty bad against the run. I know it's not a popular opinion around here, but I am not re-signing him for anything more than 7.5 at the very most. I think he is a 6-7 million dollar player. I think there may be a team or 2 that looks at the sack numbers and overpays him. I don't want to be that team, especially with Horrible Harry coming back. He was our best lineman when he was playing early. Edited January 18, 2020 by sven233 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 See previous thread on the, shall we say, general meaningfulness of Pffts scoring system. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 He's a rotational D lineman who does not play well against the run Probably will get a nice payday hopefully somewhere else 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) You lost me at PFF. I love it when people write that. . Edited January 18, 2020 by HOUSE 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, HOUSE said: You lost me at PFF. I love it when people write that. . You'll be hearing from my copyright attorney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 McDermott said Phillips was playing great in a mid season presser. I trust McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 It’s not just PFF: all of the All-22 reviews I read during the season basically said he was a liability in the run game for stretches. The Athletic pointed it out regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Clearly it's coming from The Bills Front Office. They want to deflate his market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 55 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: The sack numbers were great, but even if PFF is a joke, there has to be SOME merit in their analysis no? PFF gives Jordan Phillips an overall grade of 51.8, which ranks 153rd out of 197 defensive linemen in the league. His pass-rush grade of 60.5 ranks 94th among defensive linemen. Of Phillips' 583 snaps in 2019, 362 were in pass rush (putting him 40th among D-linemen) and 218 were against the run, according to PFF. He played 52.4% of the Bills' defensive snaps. he wasn’t awful, and he wasn’t top 3. Dude was a good rotational piece. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Hes a rotational player and should be paid as one. If he gets offered starter type money then let him go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, sven233 said: The eyeball test says he was a pretty good pass rusher, but while he did make a lot of plays on his own, some of the sack production he had was the direct result of someone else pushing the play and Phillips finishing it up. Also, in my opinion, for someone his size, he was pretty bad against the run. I know it's not a popular opinion around here, but I am not re-signing him for anything more than 7.5 at the very most. I think he is a 6-7 million dollar player. I think there may be a team or 2 that looks at the sack numbers and overpays him. I don't want to be that team, especially with Horrible Harry coming back. He was our best lineman when he was playing early. Perhaps this is not what you mean, but once again, Horrible Harry(1tech) has a different role than Jordan Phillips (3tech). I would be willing to go up in $$ a bit from that or sweeten (more guaranteed) to re-sign him because I think he's going to look over at Lotulelei and say Um Hello! But overall, to the Bills he's a rotational DT who has limitations and who sometimes free-lances in pursuit of sacks to the detriment of the team. Example of what I mean is vs Pittsburgh, where he drew a defensive Offside penalty. It wasn't, but most refs are gonna call it that way and it made it 1st and 5. To another team, he's gonna be seen as a rare penetrating 3-tech who gets sacks and you're right, he's gonna find some team that will pay him closer to his desired "chicken" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Many of his sacks and Shaq’s were poor blocking by the opponents O-lines. They just ran straight in and plowed the QB. I’d rather pay a guy like Hughes who gets held every play and earns his sacks. Adios Phillips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I don't care about PFF rankings and 153rd out of 197 seems too low to me. But I do think he was overrated by Bills fans this year. I will say that he finishes plays well, when he gets to the QB he's going to get the sack more often than not. Which gives him gaudy sack numbers. However I don't think he makes enough plays across the board. So on a play to play basis he is replaceable. Especially in the run game, where he was terrible most of the year. Ideally we'd be able to bring him back at a sensible price. He's good rotational depth if nothing else, and you can put him on the field on obvious passing downs. But I think some team will overpay him based on his sack numbers and I would just let him walk in that case. We drafted his replacement in the 1st round last year, he was never going to be part of the long term plan. We'll find someone cheaper that can back up Ed Oliver in the draft or free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Jordan Phillips made the most of his opportunities this season to record "splash" plays that he and his agent will point to in negotiations. The rest of us saw a guy who disappeared a lot of the time and while his energy and enthusiasm are infectious, he does not deserve to be paid at the level he seeks. Jordan will not be a Buffalo Bill next season, I'm almost certain of it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I think he and Spain will be looking for BIG paydays and someone else will overpay for their services. If I had to chose, I pick Phillips but I don't think he has the production in 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Personally I think he is way overrated and not worth that kind of money he thinks he is let him walk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, sven233 said: The eyeball test says he was a pretty good pass rusher, but while he did make a lot of plays on his own, some of the sack production he had was the direct result of someone else pushing the play and Phillips finishing it up. Also, in my opinion, for someone his size, he was pretty bad against the run. I know it's not a popular opinion around here, but I am not re-signing him for anything more than 7.5 at the very most. I think he is a 6-7 million dollar player. I think there may be a team or 2 that looks at the sack numbers and overpays him. I don't want to be that team, especially with Horrible Harry coming back. He was our best lineman when he was playing early. I'd rather keep Shaq 17 minutes ago, eball said: Jordan Phillips made the most of his opportunities this season to record "splash" plays that he and his agent will point to in negotiations. The rest of us saw a guy who disappeared a lot of the time and while his energy and enthusiasm are infectious, he does not deserve to be paid at the level he seeks. Jordan will not be a Buffalo Bill next season, I'm almost certain of it. I would agree on that. Outside rush pushed a lot of it to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I'd rather keep Shaq I'd rather keep both, but it seems pretty clear from what he said that if Beane has to choose, it'll be Shaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Sacks are often a group effort. If the DE's or blitzing LBs force the QB to step up in the pocket or try to run up the gut--right into the mitts of DTs, like Phillips--who's really making the play there? IMO, it seemed like Jordan was the beneficiary of that group effort a lot this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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