Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I don’t think I agree totally on the premise that they missed out on their QB. I am sure you are going to say Mahomes or Watson, but neither of those QB’s has won a SB yet. I think that’s Beane and McDermott’s goal. Well, yes it would likely have been one of those two if they did select one in 2017. It was the team’s greatest need, and it’s unlikely they ( or anyone else) was outbidding the Bears for the right to select Trubisky. Obviously , the goal is the Super Bowl and both those QBs are closer to being a championship caliber QB than Josh Allen is. The past cannot be changed, but there is now way to think that the goal of a championship is more likely by not drafting on either those QBs. It shouldn’t be harped on, lamented or assigned to Beane and McD in any way because it truly was an error by ownership. It doesn’t diminish what the GM and Coach have done with the team to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, MJS said: Neither of them really had to rebuild. Just retool. Think what you want. The Ravens turned over almost their entire offensive roster, changed QBs from Flacco to Jackson. Let call that a re-tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Well, yes it would likely have been one of those two if they did select one in 2017. It was the team’s greatest need, and it’s unlikely they ( or anyone else) was outbidding the Bears for the right to select Trubisky. Obviously , the goal is the Super Bowl and both those QBs are closer to being a championship caliber QB than Josh Allen is. The past cannot be changed, but there is now way to think that the goal of a championship is more likely by not drafting on either those QBs. It shouldn’t be harped on, lamented or assigned to Beane and McD in any way because it truly was an error by ownership. It doesn’t diminish what the GM and Coach have done with the team to date. As far as closer teams I will say yes to Mahomes with Andy in KC. Watson will have to wait on another coach and GM for his shot. I think Beane and McDermott had a plan and stuck to it. They weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017. I think they wanted to extra year to build the team more before starting the clock on the rookie QB salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Limeaid said: They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason. The article seems a little 'off' for a couple reasons. It reads like the writer thinks it's impressive that Rivera made changes to the coaching staff...uhh..yea...of course he did. Every HC ever hired makes changes to the coaching staff. They're off base on McCoy too. While he may have had some off the fields stuff, I never read anything about him being a 'problem' player or that anyone felt he was chasing personal goals over team goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Think what you want. The Ravens turned over almost their entire offensive roster, changed QBs from Flacco to Jackson. Let call that a re-tool. Yes, they turned over a fair amount of the roster largely due to aging. They had a successful program and HC in place, but their excellent teams of the 2010s got old. That happens, and the Ravens have done a great job. Their task was not as huge as reinventing a floundering franchise that had no direction, no leadership and no successful platform on which to build. To say they had a head start is an understatement. For all their regular season success, they’ve been a one and done in the playoffs twice. The same as McD, Beane and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: OMG, copy the Buffalo Bills ? ....LMAO...Deadskins copy the Bills?.....that looks like Boy Danny Snyder's reaction when told "no more meddling"............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: As far as closer teams I will say yes to Mahomes with Andy in KC. Watson will have to wait on another coach and GM for his shot. I think Beane and McDermott had a plan and stuck to it. They weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017. I think they wanted to extra year to build the team more before starting the clock on the rookie QB salary. The Bills weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017 because they hadn’t yet dismissed Whaley, who was on his way out. Beane wasn’t here yet, so he had nothing to do with it directly. McD didn’t want an extra year, he just wanted the GM to have a say in the QB selection. Made sense, but a missed opportunity by the Pegulas with their procedural misstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: The Bills weren’t in the market for a QB in 2017 because they hadn’t yet dismissed Whaley, who was on his way out. Beane wasn’t here yet, so he had nothing to do with it directly. McD didn’t want an extra year, he just wanted the GM to have a say in the QB selection. Made sense, but a missed opportunity by the Pegulas with their procedural misstep. Are you sure McD didn’t want an extra year? I don’t think either of us really know exactly why it happened the way it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Is redskins really censored? ? Nope. So what was censored in that article? Edited January 19, 2020 by BringBackFlutie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I'm not 100% sure this is THE model to copy, but it's a model to copy. There are some problems implementing it... -Sean is a Christian and emphasizes the team, process, and believing in each other, that's not easily replicable -Really knows defense and can take over playcalling with a good history of success -Makes his team believe in him I don't know how to "replicate" which is 50% mind and 50% heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Are you sure McD didn’t want an extra year? I don’t think either of us really know exactly why it happened the way it did. Whaley was dismissed almost immediately after the draft. You don’t pass on drafting a franchise QB because of a salary. Any GM worth having will want a say in choosing their rookie QB, so I understand the wait. It was still a costly error by the fairly green owners, though. 52 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: I'm not 100% sure this is THE model to copy, but it's a model to copy. There are some problems implementing it... -Sean is a Christian and emphasizes the team, process, and believing in each other, that's not easily replicable -Really knows defense and can take over playcalling with a good history of success -Makes his team believe in him I don't know how to "replicate" which is 50% mind and 50% heart. I don’t think being a Christian has any bearing on things. By all accounts Rivera is one of the good guys in the NFL, so that part may be replicable. 1 hour ago, BringBackFlutie said: Is redskins really censored? ? Nope. So what was censored in that article? Probably is by liberal media standards. NBC ( MSNBC) seems to fit that profile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I don’t think being a Christian has any bearing on things. By all accounts Rivera is one of the good guys in the NFL, so that part may be replicable. You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman. Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman. Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera. With Sean I think that it is. I don’t think you need to be a Christian ( or subscribe to any religion for that matter) to be a good human though, and that was my intended point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BigBillsFan said: You really don't think a lot of what Sean does that other coaches don't do is because of Christianity? I can assure you that is. Think of how he treated Peterman. Our worldview is shaped by our ideology. I'm sure if you listen to Sean with the players (as I have in behind the scenes stuff) it's a lot of who he is and a lot of how he unifies things in his "process". I do agree with your with Rivera. What is this "behind the scenes stuff," of which you speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Trekking said: McCoy would have not been happy backing up Singletary You mean like how he's backing up Damien Williams now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 23 hours ago, Limeaid said: They should look to copy the Bills — yes, the Bills — during their rebuild https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-should-look-copy-bills-yes-bills-during-their-rebuild McCoy? I agree about Sammy but not LeSean. They moved on from selfish players early in process not later. They moved on from him for mostly inactive T.J. Yeldon but that was not reason. You’re not sure why they moved on from Mccoy it can be one of many reasons, including multiple reasons. One of which, may have been his attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 They probably will under Riviera, but have to wait and see if Schneider can keep his meddling hands out of it. Maybe Ol river boat run will look to do some wheeling and dealing like we did, they have some guys i wouldn't mind picking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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