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What Did McDermott Mean By Saying “We Let Too Many Leaders Out of The Building” in Carolina

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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

Lee Smith was brought in this year to be a leader in the TE room.  We don't know what the final grade on him is, do we?

I don't think Smith is a 100% lock on making the final 53 next season.  I see him probably going to camp but who's to say

whether or not Beane and McDermott bring in someone to take his place.  We all know he has had his issues this year so

I see no reason why this could not happen.

 

I commented elsewhere that interestingly enough, Lee Smith's penalties stopped after Cleveland when McDermott called him out in his presser.  So there's that.

 

One interesting feature of Smith and of Kroft's contracts is that they both feature roster bonuses and guarantees that kick in on the 5th day of the league year.

Smith's isn't too much.  He has (I think) $1.5M guaranteed salary plus a $500,000 bonus due on the 5th day.  Kroft gets a $750,000 roster bonus PLUS $2M of salary that converts from injury guarantee to full guarantee.

 

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Also, I like to bring up something Brandon Beane said in his end of season presser (or it might have been the WGR interview later

in the day), but Beane said (and I'm paraphrasing) that vets, especially ones friendly with the coaching staff are not immune to

being moved IF their play is not up to acceptable standards. 

He commented that "just because your good friends and go to dinner with the coaches, that doesn't guarantee you a spot".

I thought it was very interesting he said that and it hasn't been commented on by the board.

 

That's very interesting.  I don't think it was in the end of season presser.  I wonder who he's talking about.

 

1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Based on the player personnel that is on the roster and in relation to the offense strengths.  For example, if we got a WR1 who has a chance of being the next Julio Jones, there should be plays to focus on that player and he should be in on the majority of snaps and targeted often.  Likewise if we get a Derrick Henry type RB, we should be running the ball more often between Singletary and the new RB.  What we shouldn't be doing is targeting Pat DiMarco on a 30 yard pass, or running Frank Gore around the tackle because no other team would ever suspect we'd do such a thing.   If McD replaces Daboll as the play caller (doubt this happens, though) this could be a moot point.  What I was getting at it John Harbaugh kept Grep Roman on the straight and narrow focusing on Lamar's strengths and not doing cute/outsmart yourself type things, I suspect Daboll needs the same.

 

OK, I don't disagree at all, but I'm a bit confused how you get there from here:

"As a HC, McD needs to get to that point so he can tell Daboll what the offense should look like (i.e. identity); McD is no where close to being able to do this. 

 

I'm not sure why you feel McD is not able to tell Daboll what the offense should look like in terms of identity, right here and now?  Are you thinking it's because the talent isn't strong enough, so to some extent McDermott knows Daboll must use gimmicks to make up for gaps in talent? 

 

I'm thinking that whatever the talent level is, Daboll needs a "Come to Jesus" meeting where McDermott explains the DC perspective: at the end of the game when the other team knows we just need a FG to win it, they don't care if we send Pat DiMarco, Lee Smith, or Dion Dawkins 30 yds downfield they're going to cover them like gloves.  Down near the goal line, the defense isn't gonna wait to see if you're sending Frank Gore running around the tackle, the minute they see the ball they're gonna jump on him and your gimmick has no prayer.  etc etc etc.

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, I don't disagree at all, but I'm a bit confused how you get there from here:

"As a HC, McD needs to get to that point so he can tell Daboll what the offense should look like (i.e. identity); McD is no where close to being able to do this. 

 

I'm not sure why you feel McD is not able to tell Daboll what the offense should look like in terms of identity, right here and now?

 

McD should be able to, for sure.  After all, he's Daboll's boss.  But is he?  I suspect McD does not, or cannot, define the offense like a Harbaugh or Belichick, for example.  I don't think he knows enough about offense to be able to do so.  I think he's still learning how to be a HC. to be honest, so Daboll has a lot of leeway.

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I never really thought go was that ineffective when used properly. He could pop off 9-yard runs pretty consistently. It's just that he needed to come off the field as soon as he popped one off because going right back to him on the next play was a disaster. 

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1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

McD should be able to, for sure.  After all, he's Daboll's boss.  But is he?  I suspect McD does not, or cannot, define the offense like a Harbaugh or Belichick, for example.  I don't think he knows enough about offense to be able to do so.  I think he's still learning how to be a HC. to be honest, so Daboll has a lot of leeway.

 

I hate to sound like a total downer, which I'm about to, but if McDermott doesn't know enough about offense to be able to provide overarching direction to his OC, I think we're kind of doomed.  So I hope you're incorrect. 

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19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think it means that the folks posting stuff about all the cuts and surprise cuts we're going to see to save cap room and hire 3 big splashy FA are gonna be hella sad in March.

 

I think it means just what he said - they try to have vet players in every room who interpret the coach's message for the team but who may not be the best players on the team or the best players available.   McDermott wants Beane to make a push to sign FA's like Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips (and/or Corey Liuget, if he thinks he's contributed and shown leadership).  I think it means he expects to keep guys who are under contract like DiMarco and Roberts (for ST) and Smith around.  The only way he cuts those guys is if they bring in a veteran who seems to bring what he regards as equivalent leadership.

 

There are some guys like 'Zo who have retired and others like Gore who really should retire.    That's what he means by "some of that happens with retirement and other reasons that come with age"

 

Don't expect him to be going along with cutting or trading any proven veterans like Poyer because we have promising youngsters, before he sees that those youngsters have indeed stepped up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To word it a bit differently (but basically the same point), I think it means that you don't constantly turn over and start rookies.  You balance your homegrown, experienced talent with new talent and try not to turn over too much, because it's like having to teach everything all over again and you don't make progress that way.  I think Beane's management of the salary cap also allows this, where GMs of Bills past (or Gettleman) were not as able to accommodate.

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1 hour ago, BringBackFlutie said:

To word it a bit differently (but basically the same point), I think it means that you don't constantly turn over and start rookies.  You balance your homegrown, experienced talent with new talent and try not to turn over too much, because it's like having to teach everything all over again and you don't make progress that way.  I think Beane's management of the salary cap also allows this, where GMs of Bills past (or Gettleman) were not as able to accommodate.

Beane also said something to the effect of they’ll look to FA to sign players better then their current starters.... which tells me they’ll make a “big” signing or two. 

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30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Beane also said something to the effect of they’ll look to FA to sign players better then their current starters.... which tells me they’ll make a “big” signing or two. 

He did?  I thought he looks to free agency to fill holes.  But I suppose that can be seen as upgrading.  I always think of it as he looks for big upgrades in the draft and minor upgrades in FA.

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33 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said:

He did?  I thought he looks to free agency to fill holes.  But I suppose that can be seen as upgrading.  I always think of it as he looks for big upgrades in the draft and minor upgrades in FA.

It was something to that effect. I'll have to listen again.... either way now is not the time to spend FA looking for 2nd/3rd tier players. The team needs to get over the hump. Add some star talent and get there. Rookie draft picks and continuity with marginal offensive talent ain't guna get it done, IMO.

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15 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Beane also said something to the effect of they’ll look to FA to sign players better then their current starters.... which tells me they’ll make a “big” signing or two. 

 

That could also mean replacing the weakest starters which wouldn't require much of a splash signing.  Positions like RT (assuming Ford kicks inside), #2 CB, #2 WR could just as easily sign a second tier guy and still see an improvement. 

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On 1/18/2020 at 6:19 AM, papazoid said:

leaders  = process guys

 

that means they are worth paying  a little extra.. .

 

having said that...this is a cold ruthless business

 

gore, lee smith and dimarco are all gone !!... deservedly so

And what has you thinking the coaches are unhappy with DiMarco?

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55 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That could also mean replacing the weakest starters which wouldn't require much of a splash signing.  Positions like RT (assuming Ford kicks inside), #2 CB, #2 WR could just as easily sign a second tier guy and still see an improvement. 

That would be disappointing... I feel they'll be in on at least a couple big splash guys. 

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

That would be disappointing... I feel they'll be in on at least a couple big splash guys. 

 

Don't recall seeing that many big time splash names at positions the Bills really need other than Yannick and Cooper.  Green would qualify, but IMO he'd be a very risky pick with all his injuries.

 

I could see maybe one big time signing, but would be surprised if more than that unless you'd consider signing a Robbie Anderson type as big splash. IMO there may be a few Anderson type signings, maybe one big one, but would be surprised if more than that.

 

The other issue I'd worry about is while the Bills have enough money this year and likely in 2021 too, beyond that how are you going to sign many big names this season and still afford to resign many of the upcoming FA in 2021 and beyond.  Other than WR and DE not sure there's any positions out there that are going to give you a good enough return on value over the incumbent to justify signing a top level FA.  Mid level guys yes, top paid doubt it.

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Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Don't recall seeing that many big time splash names at positions the Bills really need other than Yannick and Cooper.  Green would qualify, but IMO he'd be a very risky pick with all his injuries.

 

I could see maybe one big time signing, but would be surprised if more than that unless you'd consider signing a Robbie Anderson type as big splash. IMO there may be a few Anderson type signings, maybe one big one, but would be surprised if more than that.

 

The other issue I'd worry about is while the Bills have enough money this year and likely in 2021 too, beyond that how are you going to sign many big names this season and still afford to resign many of the upcoming FA in 2021 and beyond.  Other than WR and DE not sure there's any positions out there that are going to give you a good enough return on value over the incumbent to justify signing a top level FA.  Mid level guys yes, top paid doubt it.

Yea. I was referring to a guy like Green, Cooper, Clowney or Yannick

 

They have plenty of cap to sign a couple big guys and retain most of their own...l those thinking they can resign all of their own are dreaming. 

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Essentially it means the Bills are probably not going to release Star Lotulelei, who is not a big stat guy but is perceived as a leader on the team, while they will probably not bid too high to retain the services of Jordan Phillips, who got a bunch of sacks this past season, but is neither a locker room leader, nor a really well rounded DT,

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