MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) I was just talking about this in the Shaq wants cash thread too then go to twitter and see this. DI Jordan Phillips, Buffalo Bills The casual fan will look at Phillips’ stat line and think this was a breakout year. He had 10 sacks after recording just six in his first four seasons combined. The issue is that the sacks didn’t come as a result of Phillips winning more of his pass-rushes or showing dominant reps with quick wins. In fact, Phillips had the lowest PFF pass-rushing grade of his career this season at 60.2. 10 of his 25 total pressures resulted in sacks – an extremely high rate – and a good chunk of those sacks came with the quarterback tucking the ball and running into his waiting arms. As a player who has yet to crack an overall grade of 60.0 in a season, it would behoove teams to not spend big money on Phillips chasing his sack total. To his credit, he did leave us with this work of art against the Miami Dolphins in Week 11. Edited January 10, 2020 by MAJBobby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I used to try and defend PFF but man are they getting really bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) They’re right. His splash plays make fans think he’s one of the best in the league and he’s simply not. Add to his higher than expected sacks given The number of pressures he’s also a big liability vs the run. Maybe our worst DL vs the run. Oliver had a much better year than Phillips even if the sack totals say otherwise. Edited January 10, 2020 by MDH 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: I used to try and defend PFF but man are they getting really bad. agree with their grades. But this is a very well laid out article 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Meh. You can play this game with every D lineman in the league. Every one pick up garbage and coverage sacks. That being said I wouldn't break the bank on him. He is a very good fit in this D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 PFFFFFFT!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 #allthelolspff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 PFF is dead to me frankly Phillips is a good player and should be retained.......a rotation of the two Phillips and Ed Oliver is sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: PFF is dead to me frankly Phillips is a good player and should be retained.......a rotation of the two Phillips and Ed Oliver is sick do you retain him at 11M a year? They are not saying he is a bad player. They are saying he has a good shot to getting a contract in UFA that is way to much and they are spot on with that. Edited January 10, 2020 by MAJBobby 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: do you retain him at 11M a year? They are not saying he is a bad player. They are saying he has a good shot to getting a contract in UFA that is way to much and they are spot on with that. Sorry Bobby....should have read it all. Obviously there should be a spending limit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) He is a product of the system, and his co-workers on the D, has he taken advantage of his circumstances? Yes he has, as any decent player would. the sum is greater than the parts at this time. Go Bills!!! Edited January 10, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Sorry Bobby....should have read it all. Obviously there should be a spending limit. I do want him back. His true value is about 7.5M a year. The issue is going to come when his agent gets to the Combine and is hearing double digit AVV. Like 10+. Some GM or coach or both is going to see double digit sacks from the interior and pay him like a top 5 DT completely over looking his big struggles against the run. here is to hoping Beane can get the contract done before the combine and the Tampering is going full bore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: I do want him back. His true value is about 7.5M a year. The issue is going to come when his agent gets to the Combine and is hearing double digit AVV. Like 10+. Some GM or coach or both is going to see double digit sacks from the interior and pay him like a top 5 DT completely over looking his big struggles against the run. here is to hoping Beane can get the contract done before the combine and the Tampering is going full bore. Yes I hear you and my dreams of moving him into Star's position with his questionable run stop plummeted. For someone of his size he should be a much better run defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Amazing how our Defense was Top 5 in virtually every category, yet according to PFF almost all of our defensive players are below average. A couple weeks ago, one of their guys was defending the ridiculously low grade on Tre White. It was hilarious during the Pittsburgh introductions. I don't think the Bills had one guy in the Top 30 at their position on the defensive side. Hopefully the other teams looking for D-Line help take PFF as gospel. It may help us retain Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson on some bargain deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I mean I don't know enough to argue either way but I bet it is possible that the scheme was driving sacks his way, the whole thing is a team effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Amazing how our Defense was Top 5 in virtually every category, yet according to PFF almost all of our defensive players are below average. A couple weeks ago, one of their guys was defending the ridiculously low grade on Tre White. It was hilarious during the Pittsburgh introductions. I don't think the Bills had one guy in the Top 30 at their position on the defensive side. Hopefully the other teams looking for D-Line help take PFF as gospel. It may help us retain Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson on some bargain deals. bargin deals or true value deals. Is Phillips worth 11-12M a year? i think people see PFF and think immediately trash. This is a good article and think in terms of contract value as that is what article is about Edited January 10, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: do you retain him at 11M a year? They are not saying he is a bad player. They are saying he has a good shot to getting a contract in UFA that is way to much and they are spot on with that. It will be interesting to see how the market plays out. I was looking at a few Free Agent rankings online, and neither site had Phillips or Lawson in the Top 25 free agents at their positions. It was pretty pathetic, but it makes me wonder if these guys are truly flying under the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) I mean even Sptrac sees it. if Phillips didn’t have some big flaws he would not have a projected market value of 6M. He would have a projected market value of 12-13M 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: It will be interesting to see how the market plays out. I was looking at a few Free Agent rankings online, and neither site had Phillips or Lawson in the Top 25 free agents at their positions. It was pretty pathetic, but it makes me wonder if these guys are truly flying under the radar. Phillips has some pretty big flags on him. And for that matter Shaq Does as well. I think the market will humble Shaq. Not so sure about Phillips if he gets to market I think he banks. Edited January 10, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: He is a product of the system, and his co-workers on the D, has he taken advantage of his circumstances? Yes he has, as any decent player would. Yep. The DE's contain the outside rush lanes and force the QB to stay in the pocket--which the DTs usually drive right back right into him. It reminds me a lot of this... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Yep. The DE's contain the outside rush lanes and force the QB to stay in the pocket--which the DTs usually drive right back right into him. It reminds me a lot of this... Who got that picture of Ed Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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