Really liked what Beane had to say today

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, SCBills said:

I hope so.  Nothing against Jordan Phillips, but with money tied up in Star Lotulelei and high picks in Oliver and Harry, throwing big money to re-sign another above average/not elite DT doesn’t make much sense.   
 

Same with Shaq.  Good player.  Not great. 

I like Phillips, but Beane was pretty specific that his trajectory is up, he still has room to go and he has the right to test the market. It just felt like the way he talked about him and with then with Harrison being out for most of the season, felt like he was saying nope.

 

With Shaq, he said they loved how he rose to the challenge and had a great year, but I am fairly sure he won't overpay if it gets too crazy

4 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

Please please please extend Tre White while you can still afford him  Look at the history of Bills #1 draft choice DB's who cut and run for more $ somewhere else -- Winfield, Clement, Gilmore, even Li'l Donte.   Please PLEASE extend Tre White while you can still afford him.

There is plenty of time and room for Tre - this is not the season for it. Beane said they want to retain him and have him here for a long time - chill out

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

Please please please extend Tre White while you can still afford him  Look at the history of Bills #1 draft choice DB's who cut and run for more $ somewhere else -- Winfield, Clement, Gilmore, even Li'l Donte.   Please PLEASE extend Tre White while you can still afford him.

Im actually not worried about this.  They’ll get it done.  This regime knows how to draft and scheme guys into success, so they should be able to keep the other positions strong when the time comes to pay Allen, White and Edmunds. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I like Phillips, but Beane was pretty specific that his trajectory is up, he still has room to go and he has the right to test the market. It just felt like the way he talked about him and with then with Harrison being out for most of the season, felt like he was saying nope.

 

With Shaq, he said they loved how he rose to the challenge and had a great year, but I am fairly sure he won't overpay if it gets too crazy

 

Maybe I'm losing track, but wasn't Harrison sharing snaps with Lotulelei and Phillips sharing snaps with Oliver?

 

I have the distinct impression that the Bills have a value on Phillips and will offer him a contract, but Phillips wants to see if he's worth more.  If he isn't, or if it's incremental and he values the team aspect, he may be back.  If he can get much bigger bucks than Beane is prepared to offer, then that's that.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Maybe I'm losing track, but wasn't Harrison sharing snaps with Lotulelei and Phillips sharing snaps with Oliver?

Yes.  You are correct.

I hope he uses a tag on Phillips.  Far more difficult to replace a quality DT than it will be to get a DE that is not a star as a pass rusher. I like Shaq a lot but he is not the pass rusher this defense so desperately needs.  Ideal scenario they bring back both and draft a OLB in the first round (along with AJ Green in FA).

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Maybe I'm losing track, but wasn't Harrison sharing snaps with Lotulelei and Phillips sharing snaps with Oliver?

 

I'm not 100% sure - it feels like Harrison played like 10 snaps this year. 

 

Where I was going with this was to simply say that we played basically the entire season without Harrison and that getting him back will make the loss of Jordan less severe, since we gain that experienced DLman back. With Taylor, Harrision, Oliver, Star that is a good amount of depth & money tied up in the DL. Luiget was only $930K - we are not going to add a huge pay upgrade to Jordan with what we already have - those cap dollars will be allocated to another position.

 

I also hate that they both have the same last name because when I typed Phillips it got confusing as to who the hell I was talking about

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yes.  You are correct.

I hope he uses a tag on Phillips.  Far more difficult to replace a quality DT than it will be to get a DE that is not a star as a pass rusher. I like Shaq a lot but he is not the pass rusher this defense so desperately needs.  Ideal scenario they bring back both and draft a OLB in the first round (along with AJ Green in FA).

An OLB in RD 1 for what? We play nickel coverage a ton, LorAx was on the field for pass rushing. The LB we technically need is a 2down run stuffer - a 4th or 5th rd pick or a cheap FA right there

 

Sign a Pass rusher in FA and dump Shaq and replace LorAx's pass rushing from the end position. Beane and McD both want to get pressure from the 4 lineman primarily and have said so frequently.

[Reks Ryan]

I was very upset after Saturday and decided to avoid all the post-mortem coverage for my mental health and take a Buffalo Bills break. But I couldn’t even make it 48 hours.

 

After listening to the audio of Beane,  it’s the first time I started to feel a little better since the meltdown on Saturday.  He was accountable, thoughtful, and passionate yet measured.  Having smart and strategic management at the top gives confidence that the team is in good shape going forward.

 

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I'm not 100% sure - it feels like Harrison played like 10 snaps this year. 

 

Where I was going with this was to simply say that we played basically the entire season without Harrison and that getting him back will make the loss of Jordan less severe, since we gain that experienced DLman back. With Taylor, Harrision, Oliver, Star that is a good amount of depth & money tied up in the DL. Luiget was only $930K - we are not going to add a huge pay upgrade to Jordan with what we already have - those cap dollars will be allocated to another position.

 

I also hate that they both have the same last name because when I typed Phillips it got confusing as to who the hell I was talking about

An OLB in RD 1 for what? We play nickel coverage a ton, LorAx was on the field for pass rushing. The LB we technically need is a 2down run stuffer - a 4th or 5th rd pick or a cheap FA right there

 

Sign a Pass rusher in FA and dump Shaq and replace LorAx's pass rushing from the end position. Beane and McD both want to get pressure from the 4 lineman primarily and have said so frequently.

People think losing Lorax is a glaring hole only because we used him as a pass rusher, due to not having a pass rusher opposite Hughes. 
 

I don’t think people understand the defense we run.  The only linebackers we have who play all 3 downs at linebacker are Edmunds and Milano.  
 

Edited January 8, 2020 by SCBills

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

People think losing Lorax is a glaring hole only because we used him as a pass rusher, due to not having a pass rusher opposite Hughes. 
 

I don’t think people understand the defense we run.  The only linebackers we have who play all 3 downs at linebacker are Edmunds and Milano.  
 

100% agree

[turftoe]

I could see Beane making some trades, possibly for 2021 picks. He could possibly get some comp picks for Lawson and Phillips to take away the sting.

[Dablitzkrieg]

45 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

I really liked Phillips energy and emotion. That means so much. Emotion is 90% of the game. And it's contagious. I hope Beane factors that in . 

Yeah, emotions are important, but nowhere near 90% of the game. That's a bold and asinine statement

[Mat68]

54 minutes ago, SCBills said:

People think losing Lorax is a glaring hole only because we used him as a pass rusher, due to not having a pass rusher opposite Hughes. 
 

I don’t think people understand the defense we run.  The only linebackers we have who play all 3 downs at linebacker are Edmunds and Milano.  
 

I think you can find a Lb that pushes Milano more.  Having 3 guys who can play 3 downs adds more to the defense as well.   A group of very good teams run the ball well and alot.  I think if Buffalo found an improvement over Milano the defense takes a step up, and the run defense improves.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Seems like we are not just going to throw money at free agents. Instead we are going to use a good portion of cap space on keeping our guys and maybe add a free agent or two and then hit the draft hard liking this model 

 

 

 

Haven't even watched it yet, but if that's a fair summary, it's perfectly in line with what they have said and done from moment one.

 

It's also industry best practice. Me likey.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

3 guys.....Cooper, Ngakoue & Henry

 

 

That'd be free agent-crazy.

 

Those are probably the top guy available at three different positions. That's not how they work, or will work in the future.

 

One of them? IMO unlikely, but possible. Two or three? That goes up to wildly unlikely.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

I was hoping to let Shaq and Phillips walk, then sign Ngakoue.  
 

If I had to guess, his statements sounded like we’ll look to bring them back.   
 

While I don’t hate it, I just think we have a lot of above average players already... we need game changers.  
 

The defense left a bad taste in my mouth with that NE game, followed by putting up the worst performance of WC weekend. 
 

I am confident we strongly boost the offense via FA and/or the Draft.  
 

 

I think Phillips walks as this regime has made DT a priority since they got here (Star, Harrison, Oliver) so the depth is there.  I'm all for an upgrade at DE and would love for Beane to pursue the top FA available or negotiate a trade for an elite pass rusher.  If Beane doesn't think he can pull it off then I think resigning Shaq should be a priority as you don't want to regress at that position and then draft a pass rush specialist to rotate in.

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

 

very rarely do teams ever have success solely from building through the draft 

 

I doubt it happens here. Beane needs to bring more talent here specifically on offense. 

 

 

Yeah, everybody builds at least somewhat through FA.

 

But the way the best teams consistently do it is to use FA to bring in low- to mid-level guys. Maybe a high-level guy once every four or five years. That's the way I expect them to go. Whether this year is one of those fairly rare exceptions when they bring in a high-paid guy, to me that's the question. I doubt it myself, but it certainly could happen.

[Magox]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I think Phillips walks as this regime has made DT a priority since they got here (Star, Harrison, Oliver) so the depth is there.  I'm all for an upgrade at DE and would love for Beane to pursue the top FA available or negotiate a trade for an elite pass rusher.  If Beane doesn't think he can pull it off then I think resigning Shaq should be a priority as you don't want to regress at that position and then draft a pass rush specialist to rotate in.

I don’t believe the calculation is either between a FA high end DE or Shaq.    Shaq I believe they would rather retain than Murphy.   I think they try to get a deal done with Shaq unless his asking price is too high and that determination would be made before FA period begins.

 

I think Murphy would be the one on the chopping block if the chips fall in the right direction if the Bills did end up getting a high end FA DE.

 

 

[nucci]

He's a very good GM . I like how he handles the draft by trading up and down to get the players he wants

[billsfan_34]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

3 guys.....Cooper, Ngakoue & Henry

Henry would be an amazing pick up, and probably my favorite back in the NFL right now which can make me very bias. As many posters pointed out in here, wrapping up a ton of cash in a RB when you can draft a bruising back may not make sense. As for Amari- my sense is McCarthy will do everything in his power to keep him. His price tag will be steep but the guy is a bonified number 1 WR in the prime of his career.

[DCbillsfan]

11 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I like Phillips, but Beane was pretty specific that his trajectory is up, he still has room to go and he has the right to test the market. It just felt like the way he talked about him and with then with Harrison being out for most of the season, felt like he was saying nope.

 

With Shaq, he said they loved how he rose to the challenge and had a great year, but I am fairly sure he won't overpay if it gets too crazy

 

I think Phillips is gone as well.  The Bills have youth, with Oliver and H. Phillips, plus they have Lotulelei's contract.  Also they have Vincent Taylor.  They're not going to give Phillips big money for above average player.

 

Shaq is a little different case imo.  The Bills are older at DE with Murphy and Hughes.  Then they have D. Johnson who just finished rookie season.  It wouldn't surprise me if they paid Shaq.  This would allow them to focus on WR in the first round.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yes.  You are correct.

I hope he uses a tag on Phillips.  Far more difficult to replace a quality DT than it will be to get a DE that is not a star as a pass rusher. I like Shaq a lot but he is not the pass rusher this defense so desperately needs.  Ideal scenario they bring back both and draft a OLB in the first round (along with AJ Green in FA).

 

If you listen to Beane's presser, it's pretty durn clear they are no way no how going to tag Jordan Phillips.  He explicitly said "he has earned the right to see what he can get on the open market"

 

I don't see the Beaner spending top FA dollar on a 31 yr old FA WR who has missed ~ half of his most recent 4 seasons with injury, either.

 

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I think Phillips walks as this regime has made DT a priority since they got here (Star, Harrison, Oliver) so the depth is there.  I'm all for an upgrade at DE and would love for Beane to pursue the top FA available or negotiate a trade for an elite pass rusher.  If Beane doesn't think he can pull it off then I think resigning Shaq should be a priority as you don't want to regress at that position and then draft a pass rush specialist to rotate in.

 

I'm just asking, but I'm pretty sure the pairing is Star/Harrison then Jordan Phillips/Oliver.  So who else is in that mix?  Where is Corey Liuget lining up?