Should season ticket holders protest?

[MAJBobby]

7 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said:

Is that arms out gesture that many returners have been making an official fair catch signal? They all do the same and I always just thought it was just to tell their team, not an official signal. 

 

Some rules have room for judgement others do not. This one doesn't.  Unless that's an official fair catch type signal...betcha it will be next year...that was a live ball. Sucks but it is what it is. 

it tells His blockers and Refs he is not bringing the Ball out. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, buffalostu2 said:

You raise a good point about NY.  The rules state that NY makes replay calls in the last two minutes, not throughout the game unless there is a challenge.  This is not college.  At a minimum Houston should have had to challenge it (if it is a play that can be challenged).

 

McDermott didn't seem to be upset about it.  Where was his challenge?

[K-9]

1 minute ago, pennstate10 said:

You mean this rule?  Which doesnt use the word "intent"?

 

"A member of the team attempting to catch a punt or kickoff may signal for a fair catch. To request a fair catch, the receiver must raise one arm fully above their head and wave it from side to side while the ball is in flight. "

 

Fing maroon

 

 

Anyone with common sense knows that the NFL just opened a huge Pandoras Box with their "common sense" over-ruling, you know, the actual RULES.

 

This is actually a big deal.

That only applies to fair catches made in the field of play, not the endzone. 

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

it tells His blockers and Refs he is not bringing the Ball out. 

Correct.

[pennstate10]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

McDermott didn't seem to be upset about it.  Where was his challenge?

 

thats a good question.

I think a mistake on McD's part.

You can bet if it happened to Bellichek, he's running out to show the refs the rule as written in the rule book.

[ToGoGo]

49 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Did the kick returner give himself up or not? Did he make a concerted effort to return the kick or not? 
 

I find your comparisons to the Jackson, Burress, and Ford plays lacking. For several reasons. 

 

Let's hear the reasons. 

[Mr. WEO]

People here pretend as though the Saints-Vikings game last year never happened.  Worst call in history.

 

No recourse.

 

Fans moved on.

 

Got reamed again (blatant push off on game winning TD).

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

McDermott didn't seem to be upset about it.  Where was his challenge?

All turnovers and Scores reviewed. 

6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That only applies to fair catches made in the field of play, not the endzone. 

Correct.

And the reason they do that is to tell the Blockers they Don not have to block. The new restraining line at the 15 is the reason. You cannot throw a block past the restraining line until the Ball has been fielded or hits the ground. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

All turnovers and Scores reviewed. 

 

It wasn't a turnover and the head ref changed his ruling on the field after conferencing with all the other refs there without a NY/booth review.  Why no challenge it?

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It wasn't a turnover and the head ref changed his ruling on the field after conferencing with all the other refs there without a NY/booth review.  Why no challenge it?

because it was the right ruling. And would have been a waste of a TO

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

because it was the right ruling. And would have been a waste of a TO

 

The final ruling on the field , yes....I'm not disagreeing with that.  Clearly McD thought so too.  He saw it as the way the refs concluded.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

The final ruling on the field , yes....I'm not disagreeing with that.  Clearly McD thought so too.  He saw it as the way the refs concluded.

agreed because he also has watched Roberts do the same thing. 
 

there are so many other Ref Issues in this game. But this one they got right. 

[judman]

I didn't like the guys coming in off the sidelines and over ruling the ref.  

[Meatloaf63]

37 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Please, by all means, list for me the three ways a KO returner has to give himself up in his own endzone. 
 

Common sense comes into play whether you like it or not. In all walks of life. Things must be beautiful in your black and white world. 

It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble.It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble.

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

agreed because he also has watched Roberts do the same thing. 
 

there are so many other Ref Issues in this game. But this one they got right. 

Please with the rulebook show us how they got it right, because clearly they got it wrong.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble.It’s black-and-white if you would bother to read the rules, you can decide not to catch the ball at all, you can kneel down, or you can slide. But no instance can you just catch the ball and throw it at the referee. Rules are black and white they’re not common sense and they’re not meant to interpretation on the fly, that just leads to trouble.

Please with the rulebook show us how they got it right, because clearly they got it wrong.

show me in the rule book they clearly got it wrong. Make sure it addresses giving yourself up. 
 

You want to complain about Refs here are better examples to do it. 
 

Fords Block

Hit to Josh’s head in OT

Delay of game no call

Holding no call on 3rd and 18 

Edited January 7, 2020 by MAJBobby

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Guys they're not going to ***** reverse this, the game is over we lost on to 2020.

yessir.  these guys will be hungry next year.  they were never getting past KC or Ravens, or Saints or Niners this year.  but they'll have the horses next year IMO.  all good. 

 

we are tremendously fortunate to have the organization the Bills now have.  

 

get yer popcorn.  Process payin' off. 

[peterpan]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

People here pretend as though the Saints-Vikings game last year never happened.  Worst call in history.

 

No recourse.

 

Fans moved on.

 

Got reamed again (blatant push off on game winning TD).

Actually, the fans sued....and the NFL changed their rules to allow for PI to be a challengable play.  

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, judman said:

I didn't like the guys coming in off the sidelines and over ruling the ref.  

 

They didn't overrule him.  He changed his call.  Only NY can overrule a call after review.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Actually, the fans sued....and the NFL changed their rules to allow for PI to be a challengable play.  

NFL didn’t change the rule because of a lawsuit that got dismissed immediately. 
 

there was outcry to have PI reviewable for YEARS. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Actually, the fans sued....and the NFL changed their rules to allow for PI to be a challengable play.  

 

They changed the rule because of the sheer disaster it produced and UNIVERSAL outcry from every corner, not because of a lawsuit.

 

 

[K-9]

Just now, ToGoGo said:

 

Let's hear the reasons. 

Those plays all occurred within the field of play for starters. No rules interpretation dictated the Jackson play, he clearly lost possession within the field of play.  While there was nothing to stop the refs from consulting about the Ford penalty, they chose not to. 
 

The Houston return man spread his arms indicating no intent to return. That was the correct thing to do and we see it on virtually EVERY kickoff EVERY week. That was the half right aspect. His mistake was that he chose to retrieve the ball and made a half hearted toss to the ref, who let it go, as he should have. That was the half wrong aspect. Technically, you are not allowed to attempt a return after signaling a fair catch and you are assessed an unsportsmanlike like penalty when you do. But did the returner actually attempt a run back? No. INTENT was made clear PREVIOUSLY, when he spread his arms in the universal signal to NOT attempt a run back.