BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The first penalty on ford was really ticky tack too. A lot of helmets get grazed on most plays in the the battle between o-lines and d-lines. It’s never called unless delberate/blatant. It was a big play that killed a drive. In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play. He's out of control. The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called! But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face. As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking. Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Conlan58 said: The return man tossed the ball to the ref... the ref literally had to dodge the ball to be able to make the call that the ball was still live and therefore was a touchdown. We would all be fuming if we were on the other side of that call, regardless of the outcome of the game. The right call was eventually made. Again, according to the rules, the ball was still live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play. He's out of control. The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called! But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face. As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking. Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was). Oh yeah — completely agree about home field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I think it has zero to do with money and everything to do with utter incompetency. This common sense thing is complete trash. A rule is a rule. It doesn't matter what a player meant to do. It's what he did that matters. Josh Allen didn't mean to fumble in the second half. Perhaps they should have reversed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, QB Bills said: I think it has zero to do with money and everything to do with utter incompetency. This common sense thing is complete trash. A rule is a rule. It doesn't matter what a player meant to do. It's what he did that matters. Josh Allen didn't mean to fumble in the second half. Perhaps they should have reversed that too. Exactly, I was just thinking the same thing. The refs are not there to decide intent, but to enforce the rules as written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The ball was tipped AND Allen was being contacted and his arm restricted. Read the rules before you spout off. I have yet to see a replay zoomed in and slowed down enough to show the ball actually being tipped. Yes the defender made an attempt to block the pass, but I don't see it clearly being tipped. Allen being contacted has nothing to do with whether or not you can call intentional grounding... numerous grounding calls are made every year with defenders draped all over the QB if it is warranted. I refuse to give Daboll or McDermott a pass by directing blame toward the officials in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, dave mcbride said: Oh yeah — completely agree about home field. 2019 AFC playoff teams not from Buffalo versus New England: 4-0 The Bills lost this game in December when they couldn't take care of business at home or even the ledger against a fading rival. If the Bills were at home I fully expect we'd have gotten the same home cooking........I don't believe there was any conspiracy it's simply the basic flaw of 100% all-the-time unsatisfactory NFL officiating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Is anyone really surprised by this? It was a given and played out exactly as we knew it would. 2 false starts. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I was posting this during the game and after. Bills get penalties when they have sustained drives. That’s the difference. Its not the amount although its blatant here, it’s when the penalties are called. Like holding that can be called on pretty much every play. The other team gets penalties but they are never drive killers at the worst time(during the season) Edited January 5, 2020 by JinxedBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: In fairness you could call a penalty on Ford every other play. He's out of control. The play BEFORE the hands to the face he committed a worse hands to the face penalty that wasn't called! But on the one that was called he didn't even try to block the guy........his hands went RIGHT to the face. As for this thread...........I agree that it's highly unusual but one of the reasons you want home field is because of that home cooking. Officials are human it's unrealistic at this point to think that they won't get caught up with the home team vibe or that they won't get overzealous with flags late in games to help tighten the score(see the penalties that made the Bills/Ravens game look closer than it was). Yep. What got me more rankled in terms of officiating was that they caught the blindside block but not a critical holding on the 3rd and 18. Oh well, not why they lost. There’s about 10 other plays that make that list first. 4 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: I have yet to see a replay zoomed in and slowed down enough to show the ball actually being tipped. Yes the defender made an attempt to block the pass, but I don't see it clearly being tipped. Allen being contacted has nothing to do with whether or not you can call intentional grounding... numerous grounding calls are made every year with defenders draped all over the QB if it is warranted. I refuse to give Daboll or McDermott a pass by directing blame toward the officials in this one. It was tipped, pretty clear. And yes, the rules specifically state that contact that significantly impedes the QB from making a throw toward an eligible receiver negates an IG call. And yes, it’s absolutely NOT the reason that they lost. Edited January 5, 2020 by thebandit27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: It’s like in Casino when they break down the “eye in the sky”. And just like in the count room, everyone turns a blind eye to the skim. The money line was 2.5, Texans won and covered the spread. How many millions were won? Point manipulation is a lot easier than people think in close games. I am not ashamed to say that I firmly believe that the NFL willfully takes part in its games being tampered with for betting purposes. It’s fine if you don’t, but I do. It was Texans -2.5, with 55% of the money on Buffalo. Most the season, action has been against Buffalo until after the Dallas game. So I get your theory and all, but how does it work? Do the refs/NFL always want who to win? The house, public, more popular team? Curious how this works. Certainly can't be the most popular team. That would kill the house and those are usually favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call. By the same logic we scored a TD on that kickoff. If they wanted to use "common sense" rules I get it, but be consistent with it. This is what kills me about the NFL. It's impossible in the moment to know if anything is a penalty, or if any call will stand. It shouldn't be difficult for a multibillion dollar organization to fix it. Which begs the question, why haven't they fixed it? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, KzooMike said: It was Texans -2.5, with 55% of the money on Buffalo. Most the season, action has been against Buffalo until after the Dallas game. So I get your theory and all, but how does it work? Do the refs/NFL always want who to win? The house, public, more popular team? Curious how this works. Certainly can't be the most popular team. That would kill the house and those are usually favorites. I’m not a bookie, but it seems like anyone who put money on Buffalo winning, lost. Thats more money for the bookies? It seems like it’s easier to get a ref to make a game changing call at any point in the game to keep it close, than it would be create a league wide conspiracy to keep certain teams down. Give the Texans an advantage, and if they run with it, someone makes a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Worst I have ever been subjected too, and it wasn’t close. And how about MacFarland’s idiotic playcalling advice — saying the Bills should run a draw with 15 seconds to go In the game and no timeouts on third down and then spiking it. Yep that was a doozy!!!...Also the first down on the challenge of Beasely.Obvious 1st down because the knee hit before he was touched---They touched him afterward in air and he landed where he had enough for the first.The 2 announcers just couldnt get their heads around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Exactly, I was just thinking the same thing. The refs are not there to decide intent, but to enforce the rules as written. You can take this comment one step further and suppose that a referee decision on intent, can and does impact the outcome and betting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: The convergence of alienating bias and utter stupidity. Thanks ESPN, it's why you're so beloved around the country. at least they didn’t virtue-signal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tcali said: Yep that was a doozy!!!...Also the first down on the challenge of Beasely.Obvious 1st down because the knee hit before he was touched---They touched him afterward in air and he landed where he had enough for the first.The 2 announcers just couldnt get their heads around that. Indeed, that was freaking obvious. It was as if they couldn’t apply the basic idea of a runner going down but getting up and running again because he was untouched to that particular situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Yep. What got me more rankled in terms of officiating was that they caught the blindside block but not a critical holding on the 3rd and 18. These officials watch video to prepare. You can't expect them to come into the game with zero expectations. They know Ford is a serial offender so the flag is half out their pocket for him on every play. I mean after you get away with one hands to the face do you not think the Texans are bitching and you can't do it again the next play?? Real bummer that Nsekhe wasn't healthy. Ford was a bigger liability at RT than Jordan Mills had been. Unreal they were so obsessed with getting that guy. Did they not interview him and realize he is dumb as a box of rocks? And you plug him into THIS offense? Really? Gotdamn! Edited January 5, 2020 by BADOLBILZ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah, I find it hard to believe the Texans played pretty much a completely clean game. I like the fact that the refs let these guys play but it wasn't an even called game and I don't like that. If they are going to call ticky tacky stuff then they need to call it both ways. Also they missed a delay of game by a mile and the call in the second half kickoff was wrong. Don't worry Bills fans. They will make up for it next week when the Texans get flagged to death. They will be a team that played a completely clean game one week and a totally undisciplined one the next. Edited January 5, 2020 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: There were at least 2 missed holding calls. Also, I have no idea how either IG or illegal touching gets called on a batted pass, let alone both. Regardless if the ball was batted, three defenders had Josh wrapped up and moving backs, falling on his ass. He that been Singelatary that caught the ball, it certainly would have been ruled "in the grasp." The play should have been ruled a sack. No penalty yards should have been assessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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