dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Um, the referee "called" it a touchdown by putting both hands vertical signaling touchdown... but was quickly corrected. I never said it was a penalty. It was a call. I cannot believe anyone is even bringing officiating into the discussion on why the Bills lost. But it wasn’t “called.” As soon as it happened, the sub refs ran out and basically said, “you’re mad, bro,” and the call was corrected. No review, no replay, just a a conference in which the refs applied common sense. 4 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: My being sorry is in reference for your thinking the Refs had any kind of real effect on the outcome of the game. I don't need to be forgiven that you choose to ignore the obvious shortcomings in play calling and execution, but thanks champ. No one is saying that the Bills didn't screw up. They probably deserved to lose. In close games, though, refereeing tilts can matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Given the truly dreadful over-the-top pro-Texans announcing last night and the Watt love fest, I have my suspicions. The announcer bias was really egregious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 No surprise in Houston with the telecast being an ESPN love fest of Watt and Co. Would have loved to see at least an attempt at a late field goal in OT, but the refs took it out of the players hands with a ticky tacky call that would never get called on NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Dr. Who said: The announcer bias was really egregious. Worst I have ever been subjected too, and it wasn’t close. And how about MacFarland’s idiotic playcalling advice — saying the Bills should run a draw with 15 seconds to go In the game and no timeouts on third down and then spiking it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: But it wasn’t “called.” As soon as it happened, the sub refs ran out and basically said, “you’re mad, bro,” and the call was corrected. No review, no replay, just a a conference in which the refs applied common sense. I mean, I guess if you really want to argue semantics, we can. I saw the result of the play get "called" a touchdown rather than touchback, but I guess it could be argued that I had too many Labatts at that point and was seeing things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Yeah there’s a lot to home field advantage and NFL desires, NFL fan desires, perception etc.... To say refs don’t feel it, see it or respond unconsciously to it is not believable. How Houston goes an entire game without a penalty in play is crazy. Even McD said you gotta call that both ways, meaning he himself felt the refs were missing or not making calls. Edited January 5, 2020 by CEN-CAL17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Worst I have ever been subjected too, and it wasn’t close. And how about MacFarland’s idiotic playcalling advice — saying the Bills should run a draw with 15 seconds to go In the game and no timeouts on third down and then spiking it. The convergence of alienating bias and utter stupidity. Thanks ESPN, it's why you're so beloved around the country. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I feel the "Sub Refs" are really the real decision makers and basically control the game, in the shadows for the league narrative. I've never seen them actually come on the field and overrule the head ref in all my years watching ball 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: It’s like in Casino when they break down the “eye in the sky”. And just like in the count room, everyone turns a blind eye to the skim. The money line was 2.5, Texans won and covered the spread. How many millions were won? Point manipulation is a lot easier than people think in close games. I am not ashamed to say that I firmly believe that the NFL willfully takes part in its games being tampered with for betting purposes. It’s fine if you don’t, but I do. I’m with you here, I’ve always thought there’s no grand league-wide conspiracy, however there is absolutely game by game “sway”. It’s a business, and like most large corporations you will always have your “company men”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: I actually think for the most part they did a good job of letting the players play. The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call. I think that was the only instance that they neglected to let the players play. Even that challenge for PI could have gone either way, but they let it slide even though Hopkins was wrapped up with the left hand as the right hand knocked the ball away. Being up 16-0, the Bills should have never allowed this game to get to the point where people are over analyzing every call or non call. This was 100% on the Bills, not the Zebras. Homerism at its finest here... #1 there wasn't an eligible receiver anywhere near the pass. #2 offensive linemen are not eligible receivers unless they report as such, and for one to be the first to touch a thrown pass, constitutes illegal touching. Take off the blinders or rose glasses and it is plain as day. Unreal. Actually, according to the rule book, the call on Ford was wrong. Look at Mike Periera twitter for an explanation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: I mean, I guess if you really want to argue semantics, we can. I saw the result of the play get "called" a touchdown rather than touchback, but I guess it could be argued that I had too many Labatts at that point and was seeing things... To be fair, the Bills failed. If Morse makes a block on the qb sweep, if they don’t play behind the sticks on 3rd and 18, if williams catches a perfectly thrown td pass ... they had their chances. I am just suspicious of the hype surrounding Watt and the annoucing love fest. Felt like an NBA game to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Sorry, but the only call that was suspect at best was in the Bills favor when they were given the touchdown on the kickoff. Sorry, that play wasn’t suspect that’s the rule, the NFL officials on the sidelines didn’t want an embarrassing score like that to be the focal point of the game so they overruled it. But that is the rule it’s black-and-white and it’s why the referee didn’t try to catch it because he knew the player screwed up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/MikePereira/status/1213640136120053761 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: Sorry, that play wasn’t suspect that’s the rule, the NFL officials on the sidelines didn’t want an embarrassing score like that to be the focal point of the game so they overruled it. But that is the rule it’s black-and-white and it’s why the referee didn’t try to catch it because he knew the player screwed up. Can you really look at that play and tell me the return man didn't give himself up? By rule, all plays stop at the point where the ball carrier gives himself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Negan said: I feel the "Sub Refs" are really the real decision makers and basically control the game, in the shadows for the league narrative. I've never seen them actually come on the field and overrule the head ref in all my years watching ball This is a bigger deal than i think people are realizing. It wasn’t a line judge, or the back judge, it was the game referee who was overruled on the field. I think any objective fan, would say that the play was not over, and that the returners intent is irrelevant. He made a mistake and when the outcome didn’t go the way the officials “felt” it should, they changed the rules on the field. Because of the poor play in the second half by the offense and defense, this will get overlooked and brushed under the rug because “cry baby fans blame the refs” is the narrative always. The truth is, when money is on the line, no one cares about “respecting the shield”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: https://mobile.twitter.com/MikePereira/status/1213640136120053761 I appreciate you linking this. I thought the way it was explained last night was enough to justify a call in that situation (Ford facing his own end zone). By rule, I can see why it was called. As a Bills fan, I could clearly see Ford making a play to stop a defender in pursuit of Allen from making a play and think it was a play that the refs should have let the players play. I can argue both sides, but I feel the Bills had a prime opportunity to put this game well out of reach numerous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: I actually think for the most part they did a good job of letting the players play. The call on Ford was rough, but according to the rule book, was a correct call. I think that was the only instance that they neglected to let the players play. Even that challenge for PI could have gone either way, but they let it slide even though Hopkins was wrapped up with the left hand as the right hand knocked the ball away. Being up 16-0, the Bills should have never allowed this game to get to the point where people are over analyzing every call or non call. This was 100% on the Bills, not the Zebras. Homerism at its finest here... #1 there wasn't an eligible receiver anywhere near the pass. #2 offensive linemen are not eligible receivers unless they report as such, and for one to be the first to touch a thrown pass, constitutes illegal touching. Take off the blinders or rose glasses and it is plain as day. Unreal. The ball was tipped AND Allen was being contacted and his arm restricted. Read the rules before you spout off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: This is a bigger deal than i think people are realizing. It wasn’t a line judge, or the back judge, it was the game referee who was overruled on the field. I think any objective fan, would say that the play was not over, and that the returners intent is irrelevant. He made a mistake and when the outcome didn’t go the way the officials “felt” it should, they changed the rules on the field. Because of the poor play in the second half by the offense and defense, this will get overlooked and brushed under the rug because “cry baby fans blame the refs” is the narrative always. The truth is, when money is on the line, no one cares about “respecting the shield”. The return man tossed the ball to the ref... the ref literally had to dodge the ball to be able to make the call that the ball was still live and therefore was a touchdown. We would all be fuming if we were on the other side of that call, regardless of the outcome of the game. The right call was eventually made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Can you really look at that play and tell me the return man didn't give himself up? By rule, all plays stop at the point where the ball carrier gives himself up. According to the rules, the only way to give yourself up is to let ball hit the ground, down yourself by taking a knee, or refusing to get up from the ground with possession of the ball. Those are the rules. Signaling to your teammates does not constitute giving yourself up. That’s why the referee let the play go. Because he was following the rules. In a playoff game, you have to play mistake free. Mental errors cost teams games, unless the NFL doesn’t want to deal with bonehead plays bringing bad press. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: Can you really look at that play and tell me the return man didn't give himself up? By rule, all plays stop at the point where the ball carrier gives himself up. I’m I’m driving so I can’t do your work for you, but giving oneself up in the end zone is taking a knee, or not touching the ball at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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