Toyo321 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Billl said: If you want the truth, read any other team's message board. Every fan without a dog in the fight can see the obvious, and that is that Allen was not just bad. He was a clown out there. He fumbled once by just straight dropping the ball. Very nearby fumbled again a split second after his knee touched, threw two consecutive passes that should have been intercepted for touchdowns, threw a ridiculous jump ball to a freaking fullback in double coverage, had another interception dropped by a DB, made the most ridiculous lateral I've ever seen, and took an intentional grounding penalty that ultimately cost the game. Yeah he made his typical 3-4 spectacular plays that only a few QBs in the league can make, but he simply can't be counted on not to crap the bed. If Houston had been able to capitalize on half of his terrible mistakes, this game would have been a blowout. You can live with the gunslinger mentality with a guy who lights up a scoreboard, but Josh doesn't do that. What's more is that his dumb mistakes aren't even the result of him being aggressive and trusting his arm to hit tight windows. They're just stupid. Fall in love with the flash plays at your own risk. Ultimately there's a reason his numbers stunk in high school, junior college, college, and now the NFL. He looks the part. He talks the part. He just doesn't play the part. Every other fan base recognizes it. Here's what fans of the Chiefs thought about it the game that would help determine their next opponent. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327756&page=69 He has been this way all season. Sometimes good sometimes so, so, freakin bad that you wish that Buffalo drafted Watson or Mahomes in 2017. They had the **** chance!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen's fumble seemed to really spark the Texans. Prior to that the game felt like it was in control. As soon as it happened, it felt like we were going to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The blinde ref who called a blinde side block. not. Really. Would’ve been 4th and long at the 38 without that call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Billl said: If you want the truth, read any other team's message board. Every fan without a dog in the fight can see the obvious, and that is that Allen was not just bad. He was a clown out there. He fumbled once by just straight dropping the ball. Very nearby fumbled again a split second after his knee touched, threw two consecutive passes that should have been intercepted for touchdowns, threw a ridiculous jump ball to a freaking fullback in double coverage, had another interception dropped by a DB, made the most ridiculous lateral I've ever seen, and took an intentional grounding penalty that ultimately cost the game. Yeah he made his typical 3-4 spectacular plays that only a few QBs in the league can make, but he simply can't be counted on not to crap the bed. If Houston had been able to capitalize on half of his terrible mistakes, this game would have been a blowout. You can live with the gunslinger mentality with a guy who lights up a scoreboard, but Josh doesn't do that. What's more is that his dumb mistakes aren't even the result of him being aggressive and trusting his arm to hit tight windows. They're just stupid. Fall in love with the flash plays at your own risk. Ultimately there's a reason his numbers stunk in high school, junior college, college, and now the NFL. He looks the part. He talks the part. He just doesn't play the part. Every other fan base recognizes it. Here's what fans of the Chiefs thought about it the game that would help determine their next opponent. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327756&page=69 The intentional grounding did not cost the game. He should have thrown it away earlier but from where the sack was we were out of FG range anyway. Plus there was second penalty called I believe? The throw to DiMarco? He had position and if he times the jump a fraction later it’s a completion. That is on Allen? Please. The one thing he did that truly cost was the fumble. He can’t fumble there. The lateral was silly but cost nothing. The almost picks didn’t either; we had some almost picks too. He made some great plays and a few bad ones. He did not lose the game, indeed got them into OT and had them in position to win in OT. Could he have done more? Sure, you always can. But when one player accounts for over 80% of your offense that’s pretty crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Too many people to name....Allen was not one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Too many people to name....Allen was not one of them In a game that close everyone could’ve done one thing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm pretty sure that if Vrabel coached the Bills yesterday and McDermott coached the Titans, both the Bills and the Pats are still alive this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Billl said: If you want the truth, read any other team's message board. Every fan without a dog in the fight can see the obvious, and that is that Allen was not just bad. He was a clown out there. He fumbled once by just straight dropping the ball. Very nearby fumbled again a split second after his knee touched, threw two consecutive passes that should have been intercepted for touchdowns, threw a ridiculous jump ball to a freaking fullback in double coverage, had another interception dropped by a DB, made the most ridiculous lateral I've ever seen, and took an intentional grounding penalty that ultimately cost the game. Yeah he made his typical 3-4 spectacular plays that only a few QBs in the league can make, but he simply can't be counted on not to crap the bed. If Houston had been able to capitalize on half of his terrible mistakes, this game would have been a blowout. You can live with the gunslinger mentality with a guy who lights up a scoreboard, but Josh doesn't do that. What's more is that his dumb mistakes aren't even the result of him being aggressive and trusting his arm to hit tight windows. They're just stupid. Fall in love with the flash plays at your own risk. Ultimately there's a reason his numbers stunk in high school, junior college, college, and now the NFL. He looks the part. He talks the part. He just doesn't play the part. Every other fan base recognizes it. Here's what fans of the Chiefs thought about it the game that would help determine their next opponent. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327756&page=69 I watched the game yesterday with a bunch of friends, none of which are Bills fans. They thought Allen was downright bad minus his running ability. There were a couple nice throws, but way too many balls are put in danger, he fumbles the ball an absurd number of times, and he seems to make 3-4 insanely dumb decisions every week that somehow usually go unpunished by the opposition. Allen needs to improve dramatically next year for him to be the guy. Two years in, and his career QB rating is still below 80, and he ranked near the bottom of the NFL in most passing categories this year. Somehow Allen continues to make the impossible throws look easy, while making the easy throws look extremely challenging. Right now the schedule looks much more daunting than the one he faced this year, and he's going to have to step up considerably (QB Rating up by 10 points) to expect us to win 10 games again. Seattle, San Fran, the Rams, Cardinals, Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Steelers, Titans plus our division will be a major challenge unless Allen can rank in the top half of the NFL as a passer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I watched the game yesterday with a bunch of friends, none of which are Bills fans. They thought Allen was downright bad minus his running ability. There were a couple nice throws, but way too many balls are put in danger, he fumbles the ball an absurd number of times, and he seems to make 3-4 insanely dumb decisions every week that somehow usually go unpunished by the opposition. Allen needs to improve dramatically next year for him to be the guy. Two years in, and his career QB rating is still below 80, and he ranked near the bottom of the NFL in most passing categories this year. Somehow Allen continues to make the impossible throws look easy, while making the easy throws look extremely challenging. Right now the schedule looks much more daunting than the one he faced this year, and he's going to have to step up considerably (QB Rating up by 10 points) to expect us to win 10 games again. Seattle, San Fran, the Rams, Cardinals, Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders, Steelers, Titans plus our division will be a major challenge unless Allen can rank in the top half of the NFL as a passer. Do your friends like Winston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 14 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Offense could have done more. Duke catches the ball in the end zone, better blocking, etc. but the question seemed to me to be pick one thing that cost the game. And you can’t just give up 19 points in a row like that. Wtf does "19 points in a row" mean? They were on in a row because the offense didn't score. Maybe if Josh hadn't rolled the Texans the ball, they wouldn't have given up 19 points period. The defense was great. They we're dominant at times. The difference is that Watson acted like he cared about the ball while Josh treated it like candy at a parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Billl said: Wtf does "19 points in a row" mean? They were on in a row because the offense didn't score. Maybe if Josh hadn't rolled the Texans the ball, they wouldn't have given up 19 points period. The defense was great. They we're dominant at times. The difference is that Watson acted like he cared about the ball while Josh treated it like candy at a parade. What does it mean? It means they scored 19 points in a row. If it had been say 18 guess who wins? And Allen has one turnover. The fumble. Which hurt. Like Brown not getting his feet in hurt. Like Duke not holding on in the end zone hurt. And more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Also: who cost the bills the game? in no particular order... Watson Hopkins Duke Johnson Taiwon Jones watt Edited January 5, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Blown tackling and missing key blocks did us in again!!! It killed us more than the **** offensive play calling did. Allen not being more cognizant of situational play at key moments kills us again. His Fumbles, sacks, terrible passing decisions "Houston missed on two pick 6's". Josh is not a RB and until he and this team starts to understand this we are screwed. To win you need to complete passes that any other top QB in the this years playoff can make and would have made in this game. Man look at what Tanehill has done since stepping up for TN. Josh will never be that type of QB. He just can't make the routine throws a good QB has too when the time calls for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: He has been this way all season. Sometimes good sometimes so, so, freakin bad that you wish that Buffalo drafted Watson or Mahomes in 2017. They had the **** chance!!! Realistically Buffalo had the opportunity to select 5 different QBs that ultimately went in the first round. In 2017, they passed on Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes already has an MVP and is watching games from home with a bye. Watson just beat the Bills and will be facing Mahomes in KC next weekend. In 2018 they passed on Rosen (bust) and Jackson who also has an MVP award and is also sitting at home with a bye. IMO, Allen was the worst possible selection of the 5. At least Rosen busted hard enough that Arizona moved on. Josh Cutler seems to be the emperor that is walking down the street with no clothes on yet nobody wants to admit what couldn’t be more obvious. Drop a $30,000,000 price tag on him and watch what the franchise does. Mahomes is about to set the market in the $40,000,000 per year range. He could legitimately make a run at a billion in career earnings not even counting endorsements if he plays for 20 years. Is anyone really prepared to pay Josh even 75% of that, because that’s what a franchise QB his age is going to command. Edited January 5, 2020 by Billl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: Blown tackling and missing key blocks did us in again!!! It killed us more than the **** offensive play calling did. Allen not being more cognizant of situational play at key moments kills us again. His Fumbles, sacks, terrible passing decisions "Houston missed on two pick 6's". Josh is not a RB and until he and this team starts to understand this we are screwed. To win you need to complete passes that any other top QB in the this years playoff can make and would have made in this game. Man look at what Tanehill has done since stepping up for TN. Josh will never be that type of QB. He just can't make the routine throws a good QB has too when the time calls for them. Josh in a nutshell is the last throw he attempted yesterday. After the penalty, facing 3rd and 24 from the Buffalo 43 yardline against the Texans D, with their secondary giving a 20 yard cushion to our receivers. Josh takes the snap, looks to his right, and throws the ball at Duke Williams feet, incomplete, with the nearest defender being 20 yards away. Josh has a nice highlight reel, but his inability to execute simple passes like that one is why his QB Rating is so low, and why ultimately why our offense scores so few points. Edited January 5, 2020 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Everybody except, maybe, Singletary and Haushka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The delay of game no-call on 3rd and long that ended up converted hurt quite a bit. Right along with the 'blind side block'. The rest of the team did their part as well, except Hauschka, who was exceptional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Billl said: Realistically Buffalo had the opportunity to select 5 different QBs that ultimately went in the first round. In 2017, they passed on Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes already has an MVP and is watching games from home with a bye. Watson just beat the Bills and will be facing Mahomes in KC next weekend. In 2018 they passed on Rosen (bust) and Jackson who also has an MVP award and is also sitting at home with a bye. IMO, Allen was the worst possible selection of the 5. At least Rosen busted hard enough that Arizona moved on. Josh Cutler seems to be the emperor that is walking down the street with no clothes on yet nobody wants to admit what couldn’t be more obvious. Drop a $30,000,000 price tag on him and watch what the franchise does. Mahomes is about to set the market in the $40,000,000 per year range. He could legitimately make a run at a billion in career earnings not even counting endorsements if he plays for 20 years. Is anyone really prepared to pay Josh even 75% of that, because that’s what a franchise QB his age is going to command. Josh has to improve dramatically next year. It will be his third season under the same coach likely in the same offense. He'll have most of his offensive weapons back, including Singletary, Brown and Beasley, and the veteran line will mostly be back. With a couple free agents or draft picks inserted into the offense to shore up the line and weapons, there will be no more excuses. He needs to take a step forward, and live on the cusp of being a top 10 passer. His QB rating needs to be north of 95 and he needs to have the offense scoring more than 23 points a game. These are all pretty average marks so it's not like I'm expecting the world. If we see more of the same, wit the completion rate below 60% and his QB rating in the mid 80s, we need to consider different options ahead of the 2021 season in what's looking like an absolutely loaded QB draft class. As you said, he can't keep chugging along as a bottom 10 passer and expect to get $30 mil a season. That would be absolutely nuts for the franchise to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Josh in a nutshell is the last throw he attempted yesterday. After the penalty, facing 3rd and 24 from the Buffalo 43 yardline against the Texans D, with their secondary giving a 20 yard cushion to our receivers. Josh takes the snap, looks to his right, and throws the ball at Duke Williams feet, incomplete, with the nearest defender being 20 yards away. Josh has a nice highlight reel, but his inability to execute simple passes like that one is why his QB Rating is so low, and why ultimately why our offense scores so few points. He hasn’t really been missing throws like that this year. He had been missing the deep ball throws, and that’s why we struggled scoring points this year. The big play/chunk play offense was nonexistent far too often and we relied on long drives with mediocre offensive talent. Also factor in a conservative philosophy that held down scores in games like Dallas, Denver etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The crowd The refs The announcers especially Booger The people at home that ordered mild wings Not playing our 3rd stringers So many things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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