Deranged Rhino Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Just like tibs, gary and q babys posts on ppp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Albwan said: Just like tibs, gary and q babys posts on ppp You'd think they'd be pissed they were lied to, again, by the sources they trust. But their brains are too far gone at this point. Sucks to be them. Sucks to be anyone who reads their screed or bothers with responses too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: WW3 didn’t happen (again) - but we saw breathless propaganda on MSNBC pushing Iranian disinfo, and on Fox pushing neocon disinfo. Proving (again) how much of a joke the media is and anyone who still gives them oxygen. The media is not your friend. Or a reputable source. what does neocon mean these days? i've seen it as: 1) former Trotskyites of the 1930s who converted to conservative views before 1970 2) then, those who studied under Leo Strauss, got good government jobs and directed some policy 3) then, anyone the left doesn't like regardless of their published views... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, row_33 said: what does neocon mean these days? i've seen it as: 1) former Trotskyites of the 1930s who converted to conservative views before 1970 2) then, those who studied under Leo Strauss, got good government jobs and directed some policy 3) then, anyone the left doesn't like regardless of their published views... I'm talking the old neocon elite/guard who are now the never trumpers of the media establishment. The Kristols/Boots/French sect. They've lost a big chunk of their support when they sided with the coup and exposed that they were never serious about the "principles" they claim define their beliefs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm talking the old neocon elite/guard who are now the never trumpers of the media establishment. The Kristols/Boots/French sect. They've lost a big chunk of their support when they sided with the coup and exposed that they were never serious about the "principles" they claim define their beliefs. okay, the Straussians and Leo is not to be blamed for the whacky stuff his students got up to 30 years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Oh brother. Well, so much for the truth. What a bunch of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Learning nothing for three years straight... He deserves every bit of scorn he gets down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You'd think they'd be pissed they were lied to, again, by the sources they trust. But their brains are too far gone at this point. Sucks to be them. Sucks to be anyone who reads their screed or bothers with responses too... It's not just them. Today, in line at Walmart I got to chatting with a seemingly pleasant older lady, As she commented on the Time cover (Michelle Obama) I quipped that I thought it was a shame the current first lady was largely ignored by the press, at which point a nasty look overtook her, and, scrunching her face in disgust said, and I quote: "I think she's ugly, and no one likes her husband" I shrugged, I know better than to engage these folks. It's great being no one. LOL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 At least he didnt start looking presidential 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Imagine the hatred in your heart you have to have to type the above minutes after you learn your long promised WW3 didn't happen. What a ***** asshat. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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/dev/null Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 In related news, France has surrendered 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Mr. limp dick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Not since we assassinated him, at least. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just like Iran, lefty twunts everywhere are standing down today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 8:09 AM, Foxx said: that is all well and good. however, you answered without answering the question. On 1/7/2020 at 8:51 AM, sherpa said: I did answer the question, though it isn't what Trump said. I said "if there is no military benefit to doing so." It's silly to get into hypotheticals, so I won't. Gaming this think before anything happens is a really bad idea, but......... Iranian "ammunition" is not a threat. The US' strategic interest in anything Iranian related would be twofold. One is to protect shipping, which would involve eliminating the threat to the Strait of Hormuz, Persian gulf and Northern Arabian Sea. The other is to disrupt and delay their nuclear weapons program, which is almost entirely deeply underground and probably, (I'm guessing here), location known. Tactically, in order to do that, you have to do what the US always does at the onset, which is to take out command and control and air defense capability related to those two objectives. None of that relates to cultural sites, and using such places to train terrorists or store ammunition, per your hypothetical, probably isn't important enough to worry about. Nonetheless, going after a cultural site is anathema to a professional military, which the US is. On 1/7/2020 at 9:50 AM, Foxx said: no, you did not answer the question. what you did was to create your own strawman and proceed to attempt to kill it. that is simply not being genuine. as you attempted to do here, in this subsequent response. i have the utmost respect for you, sherpa but my disagreement with you here has nothing to do with anything outside of the question that was asked and avoided. i shall ask it again, it really is pretty simple. two questions of which a simple yes or no to answer them is required. whereby opining after the fact in support of the direct answer is always acceptable in courteous discourse. "are you saying that Hezbollah and their ilk are not using cultural centers to house/train terrorists? nor are they using them for command control centers or to store ammunition?" also, not surprising @John Adams elected to not answer it but to tag along with your response. On 1/7/2020 at 10:39 AM, sherpa said: I have no idea, but I am not aware of them using Iranian locations for those activities. They export that kind of stuff to other places, or at least they have. You can't simply relocate command and control centers, and I doubt they would use such places as storage for any munitions that the world would care about. Their nuc stuff is deeply underground. Anyway, I've never been aware of any military value that would justify any strike on a cultural site there, but who knows. Either way, it was stupid thing for the president to say. Nothing gained, but a ton of speculation that puts us on the defense. The man is a massive unforced error source, and he hasn't figure it out. Such statements make military people cringe. Related, I think the US deployed six B-52's to Diego Garcia yesterday, which argues for a more strategic response, but that would just be a start. On 1/7/2020 at 11:30 AM, Foxx said: thank you. i also do not know with any certainty whether Hezbollah uses cultural centers to store command centers, train and house terrorists and/or to store munitions. however with that being said, i do remember it being pretty widely reported some time ago that Hamas used hospitals, schools and mosques to do exactly that in Palestine. as such, i don't think it a giant leap to think that other Iranian proxies would do the same. these are, after all, terrorist organizations who, due in large part to their diminutive stature, fight in asymmetrical ways to take away the advantage afforded to better equipped/organized militaries. many reasons why they would do this but first and foremost is so that these installations are hard targets in the world of public perception. this is exactly why Hamas, as a practice, shoots rockets from residential areas. it may have been a stupid thing for the President to say and i know many think he just spouts off at the mouth but i believe he was alluding to the fact that there are cultural centers being used for these purposes. and, i'm not saying they are but if indeed they are, all political correctness aside, then they are legitimate targets. On 1/7/2020 at 11:53 AM, sherpa said: I'm not going to quote the entire post, but what you are doing is expanding the thing beyond the Iranian borders. Everybody knows the use of human shields, cultural centers, hospitals and other sensitive areas that various groups use, knowing that such areas are almost always off limits to offensive response. My comments are strictly directed to Iranian soil, and they typically haven't done that. If the discussion expands to the entire world, this "trend" is certainly up for discussion, but I'm not going to comment on that. On 1/7/2020 at 12:13 PM, Foxx said: point taken. just to add an addendum to this exchange. https://twitter.com/JJCarafano/status/1214837598365110272 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Just like Iran, lefty twunts everywhere are standing down today. Why not, wind the Trump dummy up and let him talk. He's the best propaganda tool the Dems have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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