Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Im not sure how much input McDaniel had in Tebow . . . I'd heard at the time drafting Tebow was his idea. But you never know what to believe -- when something doesn't work out, there's no shortage of leaks from people who want you to know it wasn't their fault. BTW you're absolutely right about everything else you said. Edited December 31, 2019 by Ennjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it's really great theater.......quite the dichotomy.... 1. Jones-Snyder-Haslam: all bought their way in to a "big boy toy" and are still confined to their playpens (Jones has JJ to thank for SB's PERIOD). 2. "Just Gimme The Keys Daddy"-Chargers/Spanos, Cards/Bidwell Jr, Raiders/Davis; how we doing so far? 3. Steven Ross/Stan Kroenke-huh? 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. 5. Steelers-non meddling ownership; 3 HC's in 49 years; six Lombardis on the shlf I give credit to the Pegulas for figuring this out. Between the Bills and the Sabres, they realized (eventually) that buying a pro sports franchise doesn't mean you know how to own (meaning operate) one. It took the Rooneys maybe 40 years to figure that out. After previous fiascos (Rex, Brandon, TMurray ....) the Pegulas eventually realized they didn't know what they were doing and got out of the way. I know the Sabres aren't there yet but they're in better shape than they were in two and three years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ennjay said: I'd heard at the time drafting Tebow was his idea. But you never know what to believe -- when something doesn't work out, there's no shortage of leaks from people who want you to know it wasn't their fault. BTW you're absolutely right about everything else you said. Good memory- mines not so great lol! Thanks and Happy New Years ? 40 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: English blues-rock group, mid to late 60s. Good music. Also, a fun band name to bellow when you’re standing inebriated in line, waiting to get in the ‘Locker Room’, Delaware Ave., mid to late 70s. “Sa-VOY BROWN”! Ah the ole Locker Box hahahaha- ***** I love the name now lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Baker Mayfield = Weak Minded Coach/GM Killer It could be worse, imagine what a cluster it would be if they had drafted Josh Rosen #1. Edited January 1, 2020 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Groin said: Brutal? Yes indeed it is. Dorsey apparently threw Kitchens under the bus yesterday, and today he himself got stomped. I'm trying to think of a rational person who would stake their professional reputation on running that organization, and I'm yet to come up with a single name. DePodesta should wear armor on his backside. Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: But he can certainly beat a fans ass if he comes down to the tunnel I'd say that depends on the fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Snyder has a longer track record of *****ery. Gold, Jerry! Gold! ? I'm a car guy and have never heard that one. But haslam, in addition to being incompetent, is a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So seems it will be one of these three as the next HC. McDaniels Stefanksi McCarthey Where you get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: But haslam, in addition to being incompetent, is a criminal. I see little hope for the long-suffering Browns fans as long as he is around. I hope I’m wrong as I feel we share similar pain. I’d like to beat them in every ACF Championship game for the next 20 years. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Virgil said: This is what happens when you try to build through FA We have added a lot of free agents. The Patriots signed 19 free agents the offseason prior to Tom Brady's first Super Bowl win. Point being, it can work. In addition, the Browns have had a plethora of picks in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: It could be worse, imaging what a cluster it would be if they had drafted Josh Rosen #1. We all make mistakes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need I was thinking exactly the bolded above. When I think of the movie "Gladiator," I think of Joachim Phoenix pointing his thumb downwards on the Browns. In as much as Daboll is likely not a long term solution as OC with the Bills, if he takes that job then that's probably the end for him for a HC gig in the NFL. Edited January 1, 2020 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it's really great theater.......quite the dichotomy.... 1. Jones-Snyder-Haslam: all bought their way in to a "big boy toy" and are still confined to their playpens (Jones has JJ to thank for SB's PERIOD). 2. "Just Gimme The Keys Daddy"-Chargers/Spanos, Cards/Bidwell Jr, Raiders/Davis; how we doing so far? 3. Steven Ross/Stan Kroenke-huh? 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. 5. Steelers-non meddling ownership; 3 HC's in 49 years; six Lombardis on the shlf It also helped the Rooney's in that the AFC Central/North was fairly weak during those 49 years. Plenty of down years for the Oiler's, Bengals, and Browns. Kind of like Kraft/Belichick with the AFC East. If the Bills were not dealing with the decline of Ralph Wilson the Bills would have been a bit more competitive from 2000-2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: It also helped the Rooney's in that the AFC Central/North was fairly weak during those 49 years. Plenty of down years for the Oiler's, Bengals, and Browns. Kind of like Kraft/Belichick with the AFC East. If the Bills were not dealing with the decline of Ralph Wilson the Bills would have been a bit more competitive from 2000-2015. I've thought about this for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that the late Ralph Wilson was the problem. I say this as someone who used to watch Bills games with his grandfather... in 1974, and who watched the perpetual mediocrity of this team throughout the 1970s, absolutely horrible teams from 1984-1986, and the abyss of 2000-2014 (I suppose you could call it 2015). On top of it all he pushed for Rob Johnson to start the Music City Miracle game, which was (and remains) totally outrageous. I'm glad that Ralph Wilson setup a situation where the team remained tied to WNY. Still, not giving him a pass for decades of lost seasons. The trajectory, or lack thereof, of the Bills was the result of Wilson's ownership. Edited January 1, 2020 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need I'd say that depends on the fan Yes sir, you are correct- there is always someone that can be the administer of lumps and will gladly oblige. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! There's nothing wrong with analytics, and in MLB smaller market teams have proven that they can win the World Series. However, and that should've been in all caps, the NFL does not have the luxury of data analysis alone as there is no official league to develop talent over X years. This is not to say that data analysis can't work in the league; this is to say that you need a data person to work in tandem with a football person. So what do the Browns do? The wrong thing. So we agree there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! Dorsey is actually a good evaluator of football talent I think. Personality wise, he's apparently kind of a prick. But he does know his football. (do not ask me wherefore that word is not ****d out but the verb "***** victory from the jaws of defeat" is, for I know not.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Groin said: There's nothing wrong with analytics, and in MLB smaller market teams have proven that they can win the World Series. However, and that should've been in all caps, the NFL does not have the luxury of data analysis alone as there is no official league to develop talent over X years. This is not to say that data analysis can't work in the league; this is to say that you need a data person to work in tandem with a football person. So what do the Browns do? The wrong thing. So we agree there. Nice, but small market teams (2 from Missouri) have won 5 WS in the last 30 years. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Dorsey is actually a good evaluator of football talent I think. Personality wise, he's apparently a prick. But he does know his football. He's a bit of a clown. Plus, there's no way as GM coming in that you don't tell your slow-witted owner that the first guy out the door is Hue Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Nice, but small market teams (2 from Missouri) have won 5 WS in the last 30 years. Analytics and good management are what brought 5 titles in the first place. We all know the drill in MLB. It's pretty much Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and a sprinkling of others who end up in the mix. Most of the other teams are DOA, and when you take a deeper look at how they've built their teams, they've done it badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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