whatdrought Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: Both SM and BB had in-depth knowledge on KB. Not only was this a swing and a miss, but it was a swing and a miss when they knew exactly what pitch was coming. Not only did the trade cost us a 3rd round pick, but also came with an $8.5M one year deal. As it turned out, there were much better uses for that cash. With the pick, Carolina drafted CB Gaulden, who was released earlier this year. With the following pick, Baltimore drafted Mark Andrews. Buffalo picked Taron Johnson 20+ picks later in the forth. I actually think their prior knowledge makes this deal look better for them in a way... KB flamed out large part because he was lazy and never showed a killer mentality. The fact that they knew him previously would indicate that he was not that way before the trade and they based the trade on his talent and what must have been, at the time, a perception of his character that proved false. I think KB was just done with football. What is is it about FSU that produces such ***** professional (I mean in how they act) guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: He kinda helped us win the Indy snow game......which was a huge win that.....well...ended a 17 yr drought..... That was my thought as well. Obviously did not turn out well at all but I don't think we win that game without a couple of key catches by KB and without that win (I guess you can say that about any one game in 2017), we don't end the drought that year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) serious question? Trade a 3rd round pick and get no production out of it.....let me think LOL Not all move turn out good, there are a lot of variables. With Benjamin, he lost his motivation and was just not committed, the talent is there. It could have worked out well but he is lazy. Edited December 30, 2019 by mattynh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If this poll was taken that season the results would definitely be different. Similar to duke that season we needed a big bodied guy who could go up and get it. While Benjamin has red flags all over who else could they have landed that was a former first round pick, and had a ridiculously good rookie year and coming off injuries? Before all you arm chair gm’s bash it who else were you going to get mid season for a 3rd rounder? We were supposed to be like 3-13 bad and were fighting for a wild card and grossly over performing our talent level. It was a great trade. It didn’t work out and Benjamin basically quit playing football because he didn’t have the work ethic needed to sustain a career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 think it was a good move that simply didnt work out Bills were in dire straits at wr and Benjamin had promise I do think they stuck with him a bit too long Guess that 3rd round pick bought him extra time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Didn’t think it was a good move at the time. KB had knee issues. Would not waste a 3rd rounder on a injured WR who hadn’t proved he was back. Same reason we should stay far away from AJ Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan32 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I actually think their prior knowledge makes this deal look better for them in a way... KB flamed out large part because he was lazy and never showed a killer mentality. The fact that they knew him previously would indicate that he was not that way before the trade and they based the trade on his talent and what must have been, at the time, a perception of his character that proved false. I think KB was just done with football. What is is it about FSU that produces such ***** professional (I mean in how they act) guys? Anquan Boldin, Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn were real bums. How many other schools have produced at least three Walter Payton Man of the Year awards? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 What bizzare timing for a bizarre thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 It was a good move at the time. What other receivers were available to trade for at that moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: What’s so funny about this? The hear me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Hindsight is always 20/20. At the time it seemed like a good move. It ended as a bad decision because we didn't get enough production from Benjamin to warrant a 3rd rd pick. Win some lose some. I like the gamble, and at the time it made sense. Just didn't work out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It was a knee jerk reaction to the fact that they had sold the team out thinking we were going to tank and we came out of the gate winning. If we had lost more games they would have never made the trade. In essence it was admitting they did nothing to help the offense in the off season and were cleaning house. Like everyone else is saying in "hindsight" they might as well have kept the 3rd round pick and just started Thompson and Jones (as bad as he was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: OK so hear me out LOL it was a good move and I’ll tell you why it showed that even though Benjamin was the wrong player the type of receiver was a correct fit as evidenced in Duke Williams Let’s get that type of player but better quality and better character for this team next year What’s so funny about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said: The results of the poll surprise me until I saw there were only two votes. My expectations were high on this trade. Too bad Benjamin did not come close to meeting at least my expectations. I was hoping he would be that #1 receiver we were looking for and that tall target that we all covet. I am not upset with the trade. It was worth a shot. Hind sight is 20/20. Foresight is often no worse than 30/20, however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 58 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Thrill Polls are always umm interesting Ummmm explain what’s you mean. Because I didn’t think the trade was as bad as an idea as the analyst said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Simple answer: Yes, it was a good move. 1. Beane proved to the team and fan base he isn’t afraid to be aggressive when in the midst of making the playoffs. 2. KB contributed to us snapping the drought. I don’t think we win the snow bowl without him. 3. Snapping the 17 year drought in their first season together (McBeane) was huge. It gave them credibility, and I have no doubt between that and the growth we should second half of last year with a depleted roster contributed heavily to our ability to attract free agents this past off season. So while KB wasn’t a long term solution, that move still provided some very important contributions to this team and just can’t be looked at as a mistake in my book. Especially at the time he made it, KN was an exciting add to a team in the midst of a playoff push and the best available WR at that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The hear me out Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Who said that? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Simple answer: Yes, it was a good move. 1. Beane proved to the team and fan base he isn’t afraid to be aggressive when in the midst of making the playoffs. 2. KB contributed to us snapping the drought. I don’t think we win the snow bowl without him. 3. Snapping the 17 year drought in their first season together (McBeane) was huge. It gave them credibility, and I have no doubt between that and the growth we should second half of last year with a depleted roster contributed heavily to our ability to attract free agents this past off season. So while KB wasn’t a long term solution, that move still provided some very important contributions to this team and just can’t be looked at as a mistake in my book. Especially at the time he made it, KN was an exciting add to a team in the midst of a playoff push and the best available WR at that time. Thanks for the rational reaponse @Alphadawg7. We’re both on the same page here. And so many here are looking at this move in hindsight and not considering why the move was made at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Neither. It was a necessary move at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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