MAJBobby Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Actually, I read an article recently that talked about how the Browns didn't recognize they had it right all already at the end of the season before tehy blew it up. Mayfield was thriving with Kitchens as the OC and Greg as the HC, should have stuck with that instead of moving Kitchens up to HC and letting Greg go. If theres one thing about Greg, he seems to run a tight ship that would keep some of these guys in line instead of Kitchens Frat House atmosphere that seemed to be going on. Zamprese left. Couldn’t cover for Kitchens anymore and therefore Baker regressed https://apnews.com/bac3b6944d7c47aaac3603b4e7179da0 Edited December 30, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Actually all those things were true. Problem was he thought he made it. Didn’t work hard enough to improve and attack the thing that every QB must continue to fight.... film. Growth mindset? Negative. I was quite adamant last season was his peak. Even as a rookie. That’s as good as baker can play. Of course I can be wrong, but I just never seen anything special from him. His best wasn’t THAT good. Just a smaller Tannehill in my opinion. But I could always be wrong, I’m no professional and his career isn’t over. But wow did he take a huge step back this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I was quite adamant last season was his peak. Even as a rookie. That’s as good as baker can play. Of course I can be wrong, but I just never seen anything special from him. His best wasn’t THAT good. Just a smaller Tannehill in my opinion. But I could always be wrong, I’m no professional and his career isn’t over. But wow did he take a huge step back this year. It wasn’t that good when you drilled down to who he beat and where his TD volume was. He was 1-5 vs playoff teams. But I won’t take that record away from him, he was a rookie. He looked really good at times. But he had a ton to work on, and he admitted he didn’t put that work in. Obj skipping OTAs didn’t help because those two were rarely in synch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would fight Baker. Even if he woke up feeling dangerous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) I gotta say, I have always had a soft spot in my sports heart for the Browns....great fans, and I have great empathy for them. I have always pulled for them, when their fortunes didn't intersect with the Bills. I must say, though, this current edition of the team is about as unlikable a team as I can remember, in some time, anywhere. Mayfield is a dip-*****. Jarvis Landry and OBJ are both very talented (would love to have a guy with the talent Landry has, in Buffalo), but both insufferable douches. Not to mention, they changed from one of the all-time classic uniforms, to these hideous togs..they look like tootsie-rolls. And now, they are going through another coach...I think Kitchens is a pretty bad head coach, and his firing is warranted...but he never should have been hired in the first place. Edited December 30, 2019 by Buftex 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Baker taking on fans, Mixon taking out refs! If this is how the XFL is going to be, count me right IN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So glad to see Baker and the Browns fail. Again. I remember quite a few on here insisting the Browns we’re heading up two years ago with Dorsey and Baker. And those of us who said the Browns are the Browns were derided. Glad to see the Brownies right where they deserve to be. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think he has come down with a case of Manzielitis. Apparently it is contagious in Cleveland. Even the (former) head coach caught it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would fight Baker. i’d pay to see it. realistically though this is on brand for him. Everyone knew he was fiery and not necessarily a good idea PR-wise. He was drafted for his drive and his talent and he flashed that last season, before the coaching situation was F’ed beyond belief and before they brought in diva talent to supplement him. There probably needs to be a culling of egos in cleveland if Baker’s ever going to succeed there, but the circus starts at the top and the Haslems are crooks, no doubt about it. So i don’t see Baker thriving there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think he will ever really stay in line. It’s who he is. People don’t change. What changes is his circumstances and whether people see it as “fiery and competitive (when he’s playing well and the team is winning) or childish and obnoxious (when he’s not and they’re not) I don't know if Baker will change. There used to be talk to the effect that Jim Kelly was not a likeable guy when he first reported to One Bills Drive, and that he learned to consider the feelings of his teammates and at least outwardly, share credit more and assume fault personally. I believe I heard similar stuff about Big Ben. 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Yeah but that’s they type of fiery/slightly unprofessional personality that comes with Baker. They knew it when they drafted him. The problem is, there’s no leadership or “culture” to make sure he stays in line. If Haslam is going to turn things around, he needs to bring in a strong leader to fix things around there. I would not hire another inexperienced 1st year coach. I also think he needs to clean up the front office, I don't think you can make sure a QB, who by nature of the position is the "face of the franchise" and always thrust in front of the media, "stays in line". The cameras and microphones are always on. It has to be internally driven - he has to be persuaded it's in his interest to change certain behaviors. That's what I mean when I say I don't know if Baker will change. Having this "Baker vs the World" mentality and keeping a sort of "enemies list" of all those who have dissed or doubted him seems to be intrinsic to how he motivates himself. So you would have to persuade him that there are better or more effective ways to motivate himself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Baker's going to lose his brand power in advertising if he keeps that crap up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Wow!! Not professional, he needs a head coach who knows how to reign him in . On the other hand the more weaker teams out there the better for us down the road. 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: This is disturbing for Browns fan. He really might continue to decline. clearlyvery weak minded , allowing opponent fans to get in his head w/ teammates behind him? That's a terrible look and concerning for his future and getting schooled by the fans, lol, terrible. Edited December 30, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Yeah but that’s they type of fiery/slightly unprofessional personality that comes with Baker. They knew it when they drafted him. The problem is, there’s no leadership or “culture” to make sure he stays in line. If Haslam is going to turn things around, he needs to bring in a strong leader to fix things around there. I would not hire another inexperienced 1st year coach. I also think he needs to clean up the front office, they do but lets hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I want to start a petition for them to hire Rex Ryan. Now that's a circus I would pay to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: On brand Be will never be a franchise QB. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, jimmy10 said: What a douchecanoe. I hope Josh gets all of his endorsement deals next year. i dont, josh needs to stay focused. 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Baker Mayfield is the dope we all thought he was... that officer was suspended for illegal hit to the QB and targeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Come up! Come up then! I ALMOST feel bad for him and if he's another Bust , just brutal luck for them drafting 1st Rd QBs. Kosar was probably their last decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I told my daughter that Cleveland has gone from dumpster fire to hellfire spewing fissure to hell. Other posters have it right. No culture, no accountability. Look at Allen's response after the first NE game. He owned it, and worked on it. This...dude...you just lost to the team drafting first, with a roster that had so-called analysts annointing you champions in the preseason. You deserve to be mocked for it. Suck it up Buttercup, take some responsibility. Take tyour team by the stones and turn that ship around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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