This one was on the defense folks

[Chicken Boo]

21 minutes time of possession, 268 total yards. 

 

What game were you folks watching?  Do you not understand that defenses get fatigued when they're on the field for the majority of the game?

 

 

[BillsBlue]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

21 minutes time of possession, 268 total yards. 

 

What game were you folks watching?  Do you not understand that defenses get fatigued when they're on the field for the majority of the game?

 

 

What about when the defense can't get off the field period and gives up multiple 10 plus yard runs????

[Kelly the Dog]

6 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I said it in the postgame thread, and I’ll say it again:

 

for better or worse, the identity of this team is that the defense holds the offense in check, gets off the field, and lets the offense have opportunities. The offense then makes two-three big plays a game and that’s enough.

 

the offense did it’s job yesterday; the defense fell down like a house or cards.

 

You can debate if our identity is correct or what it should be,  but you can’t debate that the defense got out manned on every drive. 

But the offense did make their two-three plays. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

The big problem is when you play so conservatively  on offense and are not trying to add on,your asking a defense that has been on the field all game to be perfect.  The teams in the playoffs don't have anyone named Duck Hodges last time checked. My question is when we add some more playmakers for Josh, will Sean and his offensive coordinator change their approach?

[MAJBobby]

4 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Well, if you retired as a Major, I sure hope you were prior enlisted.

didn’t retire as a Major. But nice try. Then again I do NOT have to explain my career to anyone. Specially a lower rank. Focus on your OERs. 
 

make sure you tell them too how you think Senior Officers are useless and know nothing that will help your career also. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by MAJBobby

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I said it in the postgame thread, and I’ll say it again:

 

for better or worse, the identity of this team is that the defense holds the offense in check, gets off the field, and lets the offense have opportunities. The offense then makes two-three big plays a game and that’s enough.

 

the offense did it’s job yesterday; the defense fell down like a house or cards.

 

You can debate if our identity is correct or what it should be,  but you can’t debate that the defense got out manned on every drive. 

This is ridiculous.  The offense did its job?  17 points is doing their job?  Wow.  This is the NFL in 2019.  Good teams - playoff teams - are going to score.  An offense has to be able to put up points and ours hasn’t been able to do enough of that. 
 

Simply pretending that the problem is that our defense didn’t live up to the very high bar you set for them and that the offense cleared the very low bar you set for them is absurd.  Instead consider that the part of the team that has been underperforming all season might just need to step it up.  The reason the Bills best win is against an 8-7 team not that of its top 3 defense.

[whatdrought]

20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

This is ridiculous.  The offense did its job?  17 points is doing their job?  Wow.  This is the NFL in 2019.  Good teams - playoff teams - are going to score.  An offense has to be able to put up points and ours hasn’t been able to do enough of that. 
 

Simply pretending that the problem is that our defense didn’t live up to the very high bar you set for them and that the offense cleared the very low bar you set for them is absurd.  Instead consider that the part of the team that has been underperforming all season might just need to step it up.  The reason the Bills best win is against an 8-7 team not that of its top 3 defense.

 

Hey pal- use some reading skills before you respond to posts.

 

You’re debating the identity that this team has been playing with all season. You’re not debating the results of Sunday’s game. If the defense had done what it’s done all season, we win the game. That’s who we have been this year. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Bills have the third most missed tackles in the NFL at 113, Not a good crowd to be in at the top. 
Pretty shocking to me given McDermott is such a stickler for fundamentals. Pats only 62 second best.

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Dallas Cowboys,14,492,321,3080,19,7.4,1664,1619,129,23.2%,58,10.5%,43,8.7%,36,137,24.7%,108
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Houston Texans,15,565,361,4054,31,8.9,2015,1804,184,29.6%,40,6.4%,36,6.4%,31,107,17.2%,102
Tennessee Titans,14,522,337,3613,22,8.8,2314,1593,143,24.4%,62,10.6%,25,4.8%,36,123,21.0%,102
Carolina Panthers,14,486,313,3326,18,9.1,2170,1619,148,26.6%,50,9.0%,41,8.4%,49,140,25.2%,101
New York Giants,14,478,317,3665,26,8.8,2165,1550,156,29.2%,50,9.3%,45,9.4%,32,127,23.7%,100
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Green Bay Packers,14,484,297,3505,17,8.7,2091,1449,123,22.7%,42,7.8%,44,9.1%,35,121,22.4%,98
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Los Angeles Rams,15,519,321,3303,21,7.7,2054,1475,157,26.6%,86,14.6%,34,6.6%,49,169,28.6%,93
Atlanta Falcons,14,480,324,3552,25,7.7,2111,1918,126,24.0%,49,9.4%,28,5.8%,24,101,19.3%,91
Denver Broncos,14,467,307,3134,17,7.7,1863,1445,132,25.3%,57,10.9%,31,6.6%,34,122,23.4%,90
Kansas City Chiefs,14,502,303,3152,19,8.3,1598,1496,164,29.0%,46,8.1%,42,8.4%,39,127,22.5%,88
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New England Patriots,15,492,274,2560,12,8.9,1351,1156,190,34.2%,54,9.7%,36,7.3%,45,135,24.3%,62
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[BarleyNY]

50 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Hey pal- use some reading skills before you respond to posts.

 

You’re debating the identity that this team has been playing with all season. You’re not debating the results of Sunday’s game. If the defense had done what it’s done all season, we win the game. That’s who we have been this year. 

I read it just fine.  It’s a ridiculous, logic defying argument.  Sure, our identity has been that our defense has had to carry the team to its wins because it’s been excellent and the offense has been below average.  Who in their right mind blames the part of the team that’s doing better than the other for losing?  It’s like blaming the fasted leg of a relay team for not being even faster because, well, we all know the other guys are slow.

[whatdrought]

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I read it just fine.  It’s a ridiculous, logic defying argument.  Sure, our identity has been that our defense has had to carry the team to its wins because it’s been excellent and the offense has been below average.  Who in their right mind blames the part of the team that’s doing better than the other for losing?  It’s like blaming the fasted leg of a relay team for not being even faster because, well, we all know the other guys are slow.

 

Okay, you aren’t actually disagreeing with me.

 

It is our identity. It has been. According to the script of this season, the offense did its job and the defense let them down. 

 

That isn’t how it should be. The offense should do better. No doubt. That being said, the offense did a lot in this game and the time of possession (caused by both sides of a he call, but mostly the defense) made it more difficult. 

 

When the offense made the pass play to Brown, they took the lead and then watched as the defense gave up an easy, Time consuming drive to the patriots. 

[PromoTheRobot]

If they tackle Burkhead on that last drive, we hold them to a field goal, we are in position to win with a field goal on the last drive.

[Buffalo ill]

Nothing in football is more irritating to me than having your defenders miss tackles.  I can only imagine the sh storm that would have occurred at practice if my high school team tackled that poorly in a game.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

This is ridiculous.  The offense did its job?  17 points is doing their job?  Wow.  This is the NFL in 2019.  Good teams - playoff teams - are going to score.  An offense has to be able to put up points and ours hasn’t been able to do enough of that. 
 

Simply pretending that the problem is that our defense didn’t live up to the very high bar you set for them and that the offense cleared the very low bar you set for them is absurd.  Instead consider that the part of the team that has been underperforming all season might just need to step it up.  The reason the Bills best win is against an 8-7 team not that of its top 3 defense.

I honestly think our offense is able to put more points on the board.

35 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I read it just fine.  It’s a ridiculous, logic defying argument.  Sure, our identity has been that our defense has had to carry the team to its wins because it’s been excellent and the offense has been below average.  Who in their right mind blames the part of the team that’s doing better than the other for losing?  It’s like blaming the fasted leg of a relay team for not being even faster because, well, we all know the other guys are slow.

When the last leg of the relay team runs 5 seconds below what they normally run, I think they deserve criticism.

[Adam]

10 hours ago, Magox said:

It definitely was on the defense.   They seemed to have Vanilla pass rush packages.   Very few blitzes or stunts.  Of course NE’s effective as on the ground helped that happen but even on some obvious passing downs the Bills weren’t able to bring the heat.   Brady was way too comfortable back there.

 

Also the run defense was steam rolled, way too many missed tackles.   A disappointing defensive performance.   
 

No doubt NE deserves a lot of credit, they finally played a game this year with an identity and their run game kept the defense so off balance that the play action killed them.   Hats off to their scheme and that was on the coaches.    But all the missed tackles is totally on the players and was very uncharacteristic from this defense.

 

I don’t believe we will see that happen again over the next few games for the Bills.

 

10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

and gave up 11 in the fourth quarter to lose.

 

10 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Pats did expose our CB depth after Tre White. It seemed like they went with 4 WR a lot tonight. Our nickel package was totally abused. Against the Patriots it would be nice to have a man to man CB just follow Edelman around the field and shut him down.

 

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

After the first series of the game, the Defense was not outstanding. They could not get off the field. Its tough for the offense to score points, when the other time is having multiple 8 and 9 minute drives. How many times did the Patriots punt yesterday? Twice.  Defense could not even flip the field when the Pats started on the one.    The inability to get off the field, and the offense running for 49 yards (other than Allen) were the primary problems yesterday.   People seem to think if Josh Allen does not win the game singled handedly he, failed. Yesterday Allen had a 103 QB rating and no turnovers.  He did his part. 

 

We were 2-11 on third down, yet still had a chance to win at the end because the defense limited them to 24 points. They limited a 12-win team to 24 points.

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Okay, you aren’t actually disagreeing with me.

 

It is our identity. It has been. According to the script of this season, the offense did its job and the defense let them down. 

 

That isn’t how it should be. The offense should do better. No doubt. That being said, the offense did a lot in this game and the time of possession (caused by both sides of a he call, but mostly the defense) made it more difficult. 

 

When the offense made the pass play to Brown, they took the lead and then watched as the defense gave up an easy, Time consuming drive to the patriots. 

I guess I see what you’re saying, but this is a good team we played.  Playoff caliber teams are going to score points on almost any defense.  You might get away with a win here or there against those teams on your defense dominating, but that isn’t a winning formula anymore.  It was rare before the rule changes and now it’s even more so.  Besides our defense doesn’t have the dominating pass rush that’s necessary to neuter top QBs.  That was Denver’s formula when they last won it all.

 

I know this isn’t the Bills year.  Their window opens (or should open) in 2020.  We all have a good idea of what needs fixed.  I just don’t think it’s fair to blame the side of the ball that’s playing the best for losses like this. 

[Pokebball]

11 minutes ago, Adam said:

 

 

 

 

We were 2-11 on third down, yet still had a chance to win at the end because the defense limited them to 24 points. They limited a 12-win team to 24 points. 

You realize they are 12 win team because of their defense, right? I suggest you go look at the offensive stats in the Pats prior 4 games including Brady's qbr. Then compare that to yesterday's stats. That will give you a better idea of how poorly our defense played yesterday.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Pokebball

[VW82]

This is a bad effort trying to deflect attention away from Allen and the coaching staff. Our defense got us 3 early points and yet were out on the field for the entire first half (because Allen kept missing open receivers). They got smoked by a superior game plan of misdirection and trickery with the GOAT QB executing it. They still forced three punts and held NE twice to FGs on short field position. Our defense is the star of this team even in losses like this. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by VW82

[colin]

Missing tackles is a problem of ours, but we lost the game on two big yardage screen passes.  If we blow those up, I bet we walk away winners. 

 

Why can we not run or stop a screen?

[whatdrought]

6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I guess I see what you’re saying, but this is a good team we played.  Playoff caliber teams are going to score points on almost any defense.  You might get away with a win here or there against those teams on your defense dominating, but that isn’t a winning formula anymore.  It was rare before the rule changes and now it’s even more so.  Besides our defense doesn’t have the dominating pass rush that’s necessary to neuter top QBs.  That was Denver’s formula when they last won it all.

 

I know this isn’t the Bills year.  Their window opens (or should open) in 2020.  We all have a good idea of what needs fixed.  I just don’t think it’s fair to blame the side of the ball that’s playing the best for losses like this. 

 

 

Yeah, I’m just arguing how it is- not how it should be. 

 

I don’t like it either,  it’s just what it is. The defense laid an egg this week. If they played to their own standard, we’d win. That being said, I want us to grow on offense to the point where our offense can bail out the defense on a bad day. Not there yet. 

 

I dont think it’s our year, but we do have enough pieces to make a run- any given Sunday. It’ll be interesting to see. It’s possible all these things come together into a miracle, or it’s possible we don’t make it past round 1.

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I honestly think our offense is able to put more points on the board.

When the last leg of the relay team runs 5 seconds below what they normally run, I think they deserve criticism.

Well, then they need to because they aren’t carrying their weight.

I don’t think that’s a fair characterization.  The defense wasn’t stellar, but they weren’t bad either.  Good teams are going to score in the NFL today.  And if we’re going to criticize let’s do so based on performance, not just expectation.  The offense was a notably worse than the defense yesterday and they’ve been that way all season.