Example: How the refs help the cheaters win

[dave mcbride]

Just now, nucci said:

Yes they were but obvious calls don't always get flagged

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

[dwight in philly]

14 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

Totally agree.. really ruins it

[MattM]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

Yes, he admitted that after the game- he was faking the injury to try to get out of the penalty.

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, nucci said:

they also called 2 big OPI against them calling back big plays....but their O-Line held all game

2 big OPIs that we’re so so so blatant a Bib Kraft would’ve thrown the flag.  Edelmans led to a would be Td.  No chance they ignore that. The other one “84” ran right to Edmunds and blocked him.  Again, just SO obvious.  

18 minutes ago, nucci said:

Yes they were but obvious calls don't always get flagged

Ie: the QB on a QB sneak gets his face mask ripped and no one sees it.  How is that even possible

[RaoulDuke79]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

Hopefully next time he doesn't get up. 

[ToGoGo]

It's the stain of the NFL that's been going on since the beginning. I'm glad fans are beginning to wake up, but this stuff gets worse the more important the games become. 

 

I agree that this game wasn't 100% decided by refs, but just like Vegas, if you give the house the advantage, they're going to win most games. Magnus Carlson isn't the best chess player in the world because he checkmates everyone in 10 moves, it's because he constantly gains small advantages over the course of the game. A few timely penalties is all that is needed to give a solid team like the Pats an advantage, along with whatever other shady stuff they do. Some obvious (Edelman's pick), some not (spying on play calls, messing with the road team's headsets or tablets, showing the field goal posts on the Jumbotron during a field goal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) 

 

It's not just rigged, but it's rigged smart. Plausible deniability. That's your concept of the day folks. Google it. 

[Wayne Cubed]

44 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Incidentally, on the first play of that possession — from the half yard line — Michel only got to the one yard line and they spotted it at the 2 yard line.

Yea I saw that, the spotting of the ball was awful all game long. 

[nedboy7]

https://www.12up.com/posts/three-blown-calls-that-helped-patriots-beat-bills-week-16-01dwng4290xf

 

 

10 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

It's the stain of the NFL that's been going on since the beginning. I'm glad fans are beginning to wake up, but this stuff gets worse the more important the games become. 

 

I agree that this game wasn't 100% decided by refs, but just like Vegas, if you give the house the advantage, they're going to win most games. Magnus Carlson isn't the best chess player in the world because he checkmates everyone in 10 moves, it's because he constantly gains small advantages over the course of the game. A few timely penalties is all that is needed to give a solid team like the Pats an advantage, along with whatever other shady stuff they do. Some obvious (Edelman's pick), some not (spying on play calls, messing with the road team's headsets or tablets, showing the field goal posts on the Jumbotron during a field goal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) 

 

It's not just rigged, but it's rigged smart. Plausible deniability. That's your concept of the day folks. Google it. 

 

exactly right.  watch some european soccer to understand the art of effecting games.  it's not done in obvious situations.  it's very tactical.  unless you are the saints in the nfc championship game. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by nedboy7

[CircleTheWagons99]

One more example is how NEs Oline is never called for holding. 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

2 big OPIs that we’re so so so blatant a Bib Kraft would’ve thrown the flag.  Edelmans led to a would be Td.  No chance they ignore that. The other one “84” ran right to Edmunds and blocked him.  Again, just SO obvious.  

Ie: the QB on a QB sneak gets his face mask ripped and no one sees it.  How is that even possible

just incredible how they miss that....he was the ball carrier...always eyes on him

[Meatloaf63]

17 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

Why don’t you go hang out on the pats board where you can all have a big circle jerk. Easy to come here and comment when you have been getting this treatment for 15 years, the refs helping you is almost an every game experience for you. Again, what are you doing here? You obviously live a pathetic existence filled with low self esteem, you come here trying to feel Better about yourself, such a sad life.....

2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Yea I saw that, the spotting of the ball was awful all game long. 

Same thing on the next play he stepped out but they gave him a few more yards till he got pushed out. Total garbage...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Refs called a fair game. They missed a few calls. Really don't know how they missed FM but it was fourth and 1 and they could have been fixated on the ball and if it crossed the line. But come on they called the Pats for two offensive PI calls. Hyde practically tackled Edelman on the 2 pt conversion and they let it go. Metcalf spot was very favorable for the Bills. The spot where the Pats RB knee was down was not but no one could see the ball. 

Anyone watching that game other than a Bills fan sees no bias. 

Throw a catchable ball to Knox and Bills likely win. Simple as that.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

 

...WTF this butter cup....11 consecutive AFCE titles.....17 consecutive 10 win seasons....SIX SB rings.......yup ...ALL Cheatergate.....Fisher Price Wi-Fi strikes again.....no 'effin way they could be good......ignorance is bliss for some...SMH......

 

 

 

"The Patriots own an overall record of 102-20 (.836) at home in regular season games and a 118-23 (.837) record including playoffs. The Patriots are an NFL-best 162-47 at home since 1994 when Robert Kraft purchased the team.....".....

[BuffaloBill963]

17 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

How hard is it to understand the original post? It’s a very fair and clear description of how things occurred. It’s not biased this is how they are helped to win.

5 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Hey anyone who thinks the road team will get calls against Brady and Belli  at Gillet has not been watching games for the last 2 decades. 

That’s not at all the point and isn’t really relevant. 

[BuffaloBill963]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...WTF this butter cup....11 consecutive AFCE titles.....17 consecutive 10 win seasons....SIX SB rings.......yup ...ALL Cheatergate.....Fisher Price Wi-Fi strikes again.....no 'effin way they could be good......ignorance is bliss for some...SMH......

 

 

 

"The Patriots own an overall record of 102-20 (.836) at home in regular season games and a 118-23 (.837) record including playoffs. The Patriots are an NFL-best 162-47 at home since 1994 when Robert Kraft purchased the team.....".....

Yes bc you’re definitely ignorant. Is it bliss for you?

25 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Refs called a fair game. They missed a few calls. Really don't know how they missed FM but it was fourth and 1 and they could have been fixated on the ball and if it crossed the line. But come on they called the Pats for two offensive PI calls. Hyde practically tackled Edelman on the 2 pt conversion and they let it go. Metcalf spot was very favorable for the Bills. The spot where the Pats RB knee was down was not but no one could see the ball. 

Anyone watching that game other than a Bills fan sees no bias. 

Throw a catchable ball to Knox and Bills likely win. Simple as that.

Jeez it must be nice to be able to rationalize anything and everything. A fair game? Haha wow ok

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

Yes bc you’re definitely ignorant. Is it bliss for you?

Jeez it must be nice to be able to rationalize anything and everything. A fair game? Haha wow ok

...run along Junior and do your homework...Mom is watching.....PG-13 strikes again...SMH..............

[The Red King]

You know, it is possible to say the refs were quite biased *and* say the Bills could have done more to win.  They're not mutually exclusive. ?

[Real McClappy]

[NFLBighits]

Ya definitely not the reason we loss but New England has went way out of there way to ensure advantage's over there opponents and that includes illegal filming, paying officials off and making sure there footballs have been modified to help there offense with less fumbles, easier to throw and catch...I will give them credit with two Super bowls not a hater but just stating facts that have been attached to them and swept under the rug.

[Solomon Grundy]

Personally, I'm sick of all the intentional grounding they let Brady get away with