FLBillsGuy Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 He might be be 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) If he's a true outside DE then yes. He'd be a good upgrade to Shaq who will most likely walk in FA. If I had to overpay for one of them I'd probably go with Ngakoue. If it were up to me, MY defensive line would be: DE: Hughes - Draft Pick 1Tech: Harry - Vince Taylor 3Tech: JPhillips - Oliver DE: Ngakoue Still need a couple more players to pad the depth, but that would be my plan for starters, assuming we can't bring Shaq back on a reasonable deal. Edit: Cutting Star saves us $2M Cutting Murphy saves us $7M I'm ok with cutting both and throwing that money at Lawson to keep him in the rotation... DE: Hughes - Draft Pick 1Tech: Harry - Vince Taylor 3Tech: JPhillips - Oliver DE: Ngakoue - Lawson Edited December 19, 2019 by DrDawkinstein 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 How would he not be a fit? You can't have too many pass rushers. Let's get him! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: If he's a true outside DE then yes. He'd be a good upgrade to Shaq who will most likely walk in FA. If I had to overpay for one of them I'd probably go with Ngakoue. If it were up to me, MY defensive line would be: DE: Hughes - Draft Pick 1Tech: Harry - Vince Taylor 3Tech: JPhillips - Oliver DE: Ngakoue Still need a couple more players to pad the depth, but that would be my plan for starters, assuming we can't bring Shaq back on a reasonable deal. While he definitely will be available, he's not a strong-side LDE at 6'2" and 246--he plays Jerry's position. I doubt very much they'd commit $$s to a guy who would be splitting time with Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Maybe Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, TPS said: While he definitely will be available, he's not a strong-side LDE at 6'2" and 246--he plays Jerry's position. I doubt very much they'd commit $$s to a guy who would be splitting time with Hughes. Thanks for the input. My only counterpoint would be that next year is likely Hughes' last year with the Bills. So signing Ngakoue long-term would have his replacement lined up before his departure. Let them figure it out for a single season, then move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Jordan Jenkins, LB, NYJ Bud Dupree, LB, Pittsburgh Logan Ryan, CB, Tennessee Chris Harris, CB, Denver Anthony Zettel, DE, Cincinnati (vet minimum) Shilique Calhoun, DE, New England (vet minimum) Kenyan Drake, RB, Arizona Carlos Hyde, RB, Houston Lamar Miller, RB, Houston Jay Ajayi, RB, Philly Jermaine Kearse, WR, Detroit Devin Funchess, WR, Indy Josh Doctson, WR, Minnesota (vet minimum) Breshad Permian, WR, Tampa Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I like Ngakoue, but I worry about giving the money he will likely command to someone who's listed at 246lbs. He's likely only going to be a situational pass rusher for us. I don't know if a guy that light holds up against the run. Does anyone know how he stacks up in run defense already? I only see him getting after the QB, which he is quite impressive at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, H2o said: I like Ngakoue, but I worry about giving the money he will likely command to someone who's listed at 246lbs. He's likely only going to be a situational pass rusher for us. I don't know if a guy that light holds up against the run. Does anyone know how he stacks up in run defense already? I only see him getting after the QB, which he is quite impressive at. Looks ok to me https://www.jaguars.com/video/fastest-tackle-of-2019-yannick-ngakoue-meets-rb-in-backfield-upon-handoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, TPS said: While he definitely will be available, he's not a strong-side LDE at 6'2" and 246--he plays Jerry's position. I doubt very much they'd commit $$s to a guy who would be splitting time with Hughes. Asking seriously? Is it that different to play RDE vs LDE? Neber understood that. Same with LG vs RG. I get the footwork is mirrored and maybe your less favorite arm/side is leading when you pull, but id think these guys are good enough to do both ways. What am i overlooking here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Who do we let go of in a year or two to make this work? It looks like we have a ton of cap room, but we have extensions to give out this off-season and next. That cap room will dry up in a hurry. We make a splashy free agent singing like this, we are going to have to let guys walk eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Checked my "old" 8 Ball AND,...Cannot predict now! Back to concentrating on winning tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I think we have to get a pass-rushing Edge in FA if possible. The top 3 in the draft may not fall to us (Young--OSU; Epenese--LSU; and Gross Matos--PSU) are likely all gone before we pick. Meaning we won't have to "reach" for an Edge, or trade up. If we grab one in FA and one of these guys is available in the draft, even better. 7 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Checked my "old" 8 Ball AND,...Cannot predict now! Back to concentrating on winning tomorrow. dude, today is Thursday. Sorry for the info. Sucks when you think it's Friday but it's Thursday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Yeah. I'd take him pretty quick. I'm fine keeping Shaq, J. Phillips, and signing Ngakoue. Stack Strength on strength and spend the money that we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Yeah. I'd take him pretty quick. I'm fine keeping Shaq, J. Phillips, and signing Ngakoue. Stack Strength on strength and spend the money that we have. If we do that we won't have money for the guys we need to extend next year and the year after. They need to be smart now, so they don't get into trouble later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Looks ok to me https://www.jaguars.com/video/fastest-tackle-of-2019-yannick-ngakoue-meets-rb-in-backfield-upon-handoff Yes sir, I know he's got a speed to his game that not many guys have. Does anyone know how he is at disengaging when the OL'men get their hands on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: If we do that we won't have money for the guys we need to extend next year and the year after. They need to be smart now, so they don't get into trouble later. I'm not a capologist, so I can't really say either way, but It seems like we have plenty of money to go around. I trust Beane to figure that out for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I'm not a capologist, so I can't really say either way, but It seems like we have plenty of money to go around. I trust Beane to figure that out for sure though. No worries. Its so hard to figure out. But its a thing I am going to say over and over until the off-season. I think we need to be ready to not resign alot of fan favorites/not be aggressive in free agency because Beane is saving money for the future. Think about it, they will need to extend Poyer, Milano, Dawkins, and Tre, and then after that Allen, Edmunds, and Hyde. Conversely, if the Bills DO sign Phillips, Shaq, or a FA, what is really happening is Beane is saying they can do without one of those guys I just listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I'd sure prefer signing him as a FA to spending yet another 1st round pick on the defense - the fact that we only have one 1st rounder on the whole offense is insane - Josh needs some athletic help against the better defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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