krf139 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Let’s not get carried away. Both are having solid seasons (in contract years). Both are replaceable. Part of the benefit of building a strong culture is that other guys step in. Part of the Pats dynasty has been letting guys go at the right time and not overpaying. We should do the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Call me crazy, but I feel like Murphy has been quite disruptive and a real presence the last few weeks. He has 3 sacks, sure, but he also has 3 passes defensed, 2 forced fumbles, 2 fumble recoveries, an INT, and a good number of pressures. I feel like there is nothing Murphy provides that Johnson could not do for us if given those reps..... I absolutely would cut Star and Murphy to make room for Phillips and Lawson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I feel like there is nothing Murphy provides that Johnson could not do for us if given those reps..... I absolutely would cut Star and Murphy to make room for Phillips and Lawson I think we underestimate the do-your-job qualities of Murphy - he sets the edge well and never seems to either freelance or make glaring mistakes. I honestly think he's been a nice role player for us this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: I think we underestimate the do-your-job qualities of Murphy - he sets the edge well and never seems to either freelance or make glaring mistakes. I honestly think he's been a nice role player for us this year. Dave.....not to pick a fight there but Murphy has been HORRIBLE at setting the edge this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Dave.....not to pick a fight there but Murphy has been HORRIBLE at setting the edge this year Not in the last 4-5 games *at all*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think we underestimate the do-your-job qualities of Murphy - he sets the edge well and never seems to either freelance or make glaring mistakes. I honestly think he's been a nice role player for us this year. He's a lot like Star in that respect, they get paid too much money to be "role players." As I've said, it will be interesting to see what Beane/McD think and decide.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, TPS said: He's a lot like Star in that respect, they get paid too much money to be "role players." As I've said, it will be interesting to see what Beane/McD think and decide.... The Bills are gonna be nearly 100 million under the cap. Not sure we need to be worrying about how much individual players are making right now. The Bills can afford whatever they want. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Of course they should. A few reasons: 1. They already know the defense. They have played in it for over a season at least. No learning curve for them compared to FA or draft pick 2. You know what you have. If you draft a replacement or sign a FA you never really know what you are getting. With your own players you know exactly what you are getting. 3. Let them walk and who is to say you can find anyone better? FAs have to agree to come to your team. You can't just simply want them or pay them the most. Who is to say that we could get a top FA to be better than either one? 4. We can afford it. Josh is still on rookie deal. We got the cash. Unless they ask for crazy contracts, this is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 23 hours ago, MJS said: Let Lawson walk. His play is pretty average. If there isn't a lot of interest for him, maybe give him a short extension till we can find someone to replace him. I'd sign Phillips to a short deal. I don't see him as the type of player to keep giving it his all once he gets paid, but I could be wrong. I think there will be plenty of interest in Shaq. He's going to get a nice contract from some team. If we don't sign him, who do we replace him with? 3 hours ago, hjnick said: If we can sign him for 7/8 Mil a year. I'm all for that. I just don't want to resign him at a higher price than his 5th year contract would have been... There's still 2 games left plus playoffs. If he get a couple of more sacks this season, I would expect the price to keep going up. Just like you said, he is trending up. I think Shaq gets 5 years $50 million somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Bangarang said: What are you saying? Marcell Dareus formally played for the Buffalo Bills. He might not appear on your video games anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, klos63 said: I think there will be plenty of interest in Shaq. He's going to get a nice contract from some team. If we don't sign him, who do we replace him with? I think Shaq gets 5 years $50 million somewhere. I'll "spit take" my Rum and Coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, JohninMinn. said: Marcell Dareus formally played for the Buffalo Bills. He might not appear on your video games anymore. What’s that got to do with Phillips or Lawson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Offer Jordan Phillips a 5 year $55M with $30m guaranteed and he signs Offer Shaq a 5 year $45m with $25m guaranteed and he signs both signings would make this organization better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 2:51 PM, TheFunPolice said: why create a hole at DT? Re-sign Phillips to a 4 year, $55 million deal with a bunch guaranteed. We've got the cap space and he is young and has really bought into the system here. Going forward you have Star, Oliver, Harry and Phillips at DT. That's a nice rotation. It's time to stack some talent. Why have a great 26 year old DT who is playing extremely well, let him walk, then spend a high draft pick to replace him? INSTEAD, keep that DT and then stack talent with that high round pick. We don't have the nutzo QB contract so take advantage of that! This is were I am I think Philips will still play hard after getting paid he loves the crowd in buffalo and is young. Coach knows this guys pretty well and I trust him to pay the guys that will stay humble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Phillips ain't getting anything close to the kind of deal I'm seeing in this thread. He had a grand total of 5.5 sacks in FIVE SEASONS prior to this year's outburst. Teams are gonna be leery about giving out a huge deal with that track record. On the contrary, Shaq is gonna get MORE than the kind of deal I'm seeing theorized. His numbers have steadily risen, plays a premium position, and has everything you look for "on paper." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I'd like both of them obviously but I'd prefer Shaq if we had to sign one given our depth at DT. I'd like to see us get a pass rushing DE in the 1st round of the draft to alternate with Lawson and Hughes. These are the must resigns or extend over the next two offseasons -White, Edmunds, Dawkins, Poyer, Hyde, Shaq These are the would love to have them but not at the expense of losing the above - Phillips, Feliciano, Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 hours ago, TPS said: He's a lot like Star in that respect, they get paid too much money to be "role players." As I've said, it will be interesting to see what Beane/McD think and decide.... and they need contract corrections. That's just fine. it is not either or lots of contracts can be renegotiated. Star and Murphy and Hughes are good examples. For the good of the Whole (Team) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 pegula has tons of money and we have tons of cap room..no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 18 hours ago, Bulldog said: Let's be careful here - I like the way Shaq & Phillips are playing as much as everyone else -- however, let's not return to the days of salary cap jail. We cannot have a maximum salary player at every position. We just spent a #1 pick on a guy (Oliver) who plays essentially the same position as Phillips. Shaq has only shown this kind of production this year & we have contracts for Tre White, Josh Allen & other key players (Edmunds & Milano, etc.) looming in the near future. Tough decisions -- the attitude of "just sign everyone" will not cut it. I guess this is why GM's make the big bucks -- but I guess it is nice to have this issue, instead of the issue we have had for so many years where most of our players were clearly not worth re-signing. The fact that Oliver is a rookie makes it possible to sign Phillips. Give him a 4-year deal that sets up to release him in the 4th year when Oliver will either be given his 5th year option or extended. As for Shaq, there is no comparison between his production vs Murphy, but you are right to question that it's a contract year, and it will be interesting to see what Beane does. As for future signings, especially when it comes to Josh and Edmunds, the current big contracts will ( most likely) all be gone--Star, Hughes, Morse, Brown, et al. In general, I think the Bills need about 2 more drafts to get to the point where they are drafting replacements, and grooming them 1-2 years for starting roles. For now, they will have to rely on FAs to fill some key roles until they get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 19 hours ago, Bangarang said: What’s that got to do with Phillips or Lawson? I thought you were too young to remember Marcell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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