TPS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Both of these guys have bought into the process and should be re-signed. Statistically, I think they are the best options as well. jordan Phillips is straightforward: 9.5 sacks on 460 defensive snaps. Compare that to A. DONALD who has 11 sacks on 823 defensive snaps. Hopefully, he'll be willing to take a home town discount. At any rate, signing him keeps their DT rotation in place and continuity is valuable. Shaq is the more interesting case. Many people want the Bills to go after yannick Ngakoue of the Jags. Compare their stats. Ngakoue has 8 sacks, 13 TFLs, and 13 QB hits on 680 defensive snaps; Shaq has 6.5 sacks, 12 TFLs, and 17 QB hits on 435 defensive snaps. There really is no comparison, Shaq is the better player based on production per snap. And, Again, continuity is valuable. The Bills should then draft an edge rusher in one of the first two rounds to groom behind Hughes. It would probably take $16-20 million/ year, but it would lock them in for their next 4-year super bowl run. If D. Johnson continues to develop, then they could also move on from Murphy which saves them $7 mil. Shaq has been more productive anyway, and should be the starting LDE. At any rate, I think this may be the best route for the Bills, and it keeps the D nearly intact. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I feel like I've read this a dozen times in the last month. Must be my mind playing tricks on me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 though this has been discussed to death, I agree 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 since this has been discussed at length - to save this thread let me introduce a new wrinkle - COMP PICKS. That consideration alone makes it very unlikely we resign both, though I would welcome the continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I really haven't thought of re-signing these two players until now, so I'l need some time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Let Lawson walk. His play is pretty average. If there isn't a lot of interest for him, maybe give him a short extension till we can find someone to replace him. I'd sign Phillips to a short deal. I don't see him as the type of player to keep giving it his all once he gets paid, but I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Let Lawson walk. His play is pretty average. If there isn't a lot of interest for him, maybe give him a short extension till we can find someone to replace him. I'd sign Phillips to a short deal. I don't see him as the type of player to keep giving it his all once he gets paid, but I could be wrong. I disagree. I think Shaq has been our best all around DL this season. Edited December 18, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I disagree. I think Shaq has been our best all around DL this season. He probably has, which makes him average. Nobody on our line is a dominant pass rusher. Defensive ends who can stop the run, but can't produce sacks, grow on trees. Edited December 18, 2019 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, MJS said: Let Lawson walk. His play is pretty average. If there isn't a lot of interest for him, maybe give him a short extension till we can find someone to replace him. I'd sign Phillips to a short deal. I don't see him as the type of player to keep giving it his all once he gets paid, but I could be wrong. Both Lawson and Phillips are playing well above average right now. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise with how well they have been this year. Letting either of them walk is a huge mistake. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 To add to the earlier post and others mentioning these two. Where would you draw that line in terms of resigning them? How much do you think the Bills should offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gambit said: Both Lawson and Phillips are playing well above average right now. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise with how well they have been this year. Letting either of them walk is a huge mistake. Phillips, absolutely. Lawson? No. What about his play, from a national perspective, is above average? My concern with Phillips is not that he is playing average. He's playing out of his mind right now. I am concerned that he will not keep it up on the long term. I also think DT is an area of strength. We have Ed Oliver who SHOULD be getting more playing time and the focus should be on developing him. We also have the other Phillips coming back. Edited December 18, 2019 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 This article should be read before considering the OPs discussion topic... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/34057/bills-dogs-shaq-lawson-and-jordan-phillips-setting-tone-for-defense%3fplatform=amp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Reader said: To add to the earlier post and others mentioning these two. Where would you draw that line in terms of resigning them? How much do you think the Bills should offer? I don't think anyone on this board knows what each one of these guys value is on the open market. That's the issue right now. I will bet dollars to donuts that Beane will be negotiating the best he can. We all will have to wait to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I would love to have both guys back but it depends on how much they ask for. Does anyone one have any idea what kind of contacts we are looking at here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: I feel like I've read this a dozen times in the last month. Must be my mind playing tricks on me. It's not a legit topic unless 3 threads on it can be found within the first 2 pages of TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Phillips, absolutely. Lawson? No. What about his play, from a national perspective, is above average? My concern with Phillips is not that he is playing average. He's playing out of his mind right now. I am concerned that he will not keep it up on the long term. The nicest thing I can say for Lawson is his play has gotten better every year he’s been here. Question is, has he peaked? He was knocked for being injury prone. Been healthy for a bit now. Knocked for no pass rush, but he’s getting home quite a bit now. He is obviously quite stout against the run, and I thought he played his best game ever against Baltimore. Looking back they should of taken the 5th year option. One more year of decent production was worth it to see how much better he may or may not be. Just my own opinion but it looks to me like he found a gear he’s never used before. That would probably be on the coaches for getting the most out of him. I don’t have a high value for him or Phillips. Good players. Not break the bank players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I also think they should be resigned.....dont let good players get away because another player MIGHT be good for you....... Let Star and Murphy walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 Sorry. Mods, please move to an existing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Junction Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would love to have both guys back but it depends on how much they ask for. Does anyone one have any idea what kind of contacts we are looking at here? I’d imagine around $7-$8MM a year for Shaq unless he has a freak game and gets over 10 sacks. Phillips is harder to estimate because we’re looking at an anomalous year that’s top 5 in production. Phillips is likely getting a big offer or two from a desperate team.... but.... Phillips knows the difference between a good and bad organization. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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