hjnick Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: Ooooof this is my least favorite part of the year in football. I never understood making 20 mock drafts and all the gm’s and scouts on here fighting over who is best at what pick and then throwing temper tantrums when we don’t pick who they want. Especially this early when a million things change. I’m on to New England now ?? Well, half the NFL teams are out of the playoff hunt, so those fans need something to talk about... AND this year we ain't one of those teams... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Ngakoue would be the massive move I would make to add some talent to the team. I think against elite playoff teams this team has 3 big weaknesses. A WR opposite Brown that can command attention, A prime time pass rusher off the edge, and a corner opposite White. If they can retain Shaq and Phillips while adding a big time pass rusher like Ngakoue the D-line would be ready to compete against any O-line in the league while still having that depth that allows them to rotate players. I think they can find a number 2 corner for a mid-sized signing and then address WR in the draft early. yeah I agree would love to see us sign Ngakoue then we can focus on drafting WR, LB, CB and OL Edited December 17, 2019 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Bills need two receivers. One early and one in the middle rounds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I have sinned: Mods (@Hapless Bills Fan), commence the merging... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, hjnick said: Well, half the NFL teams are out of the playoff hunt, so those fans need something to talk about... AND this year we ain't one of those teams... Well said. Years past this is normal prep time 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Ngakoue would be the massive move I would make to add some talent to the team. I think against elite playoff teams this team has 3 big weaknesses. A WR opposite Brown that can command attention, A prime time pass rusher off the edge, and a corner opposite White. If they can retain Shaq and Phillips while adding a big time pass rusher like Ngakoue the D-line would be ready to compete against any O-line in the league while still having that depth that allows them to rotate players. I think they can find a number 2 corner for a mid-sized signing and then address WR in the draft early. So Hughes, Star, Lawson, J Phillips and the Jaguars guy all on this team at the same time? that’s going to be the most expensive line in history and not even including the other guys like Oliver and H Phillips. Better be the most elite pass rush ever created 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Yetur Gross Matos. I think you'll see the Bills resign a lot of players, grab one big name wideout and draft defense early followed by depth on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Gotta trade up. All the good wideouts are already taken ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I don't buy that many WRs going that early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I know this is supposed to be a great WR draft, but 7 in the top 23 seems absolutely insane. If it shapes up like that then there has to be some value at other positions that fell to 23. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: There are not going to be many dependable WR’s in FA. How can you even say that? Every year there’s tons of surprise cuts people don’t expect. And now trades are happening like crazy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 McShay killed Jevan Snead. He’s the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: There are not going to be many dependable WR’s in FA. Green, Cooper, Robbie Anderson. Not sure if anyone else is a clear cut upgrade over a 2nd round rookie and what we have. That being said, I'm confident Beane will come up with something. Edited December 18, 2019 by Rock'em Sock'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Bills have killed the NFL signing 2nd and 3rd tier free agents over the last few years. Their big money should be spent extending their own. Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson need to come back. Matt Milano needs a new deal, and I'd even prioritize working out an extension for Trey White now. Those four guys will all require pretty serious money. The Bills appear to be very heavily based on establishing a culture. At this point the culture is there. Like some of the best teams around the league the next step is to let people inside the building know that if you do your job you'll be taken care of financially. Keep going after cheap vets on 1 and 2 year "prove it" contracts, and if you can get the right 2nd tier guy (think John Brown) who fills a specific need and might be undervalued by the rest of the league, do it. Then keep plugging away in the draft. Pick up another 2-3 year high end rookies and some more depth, and keep building out the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: How can you even say that? Every year there’s tons of surprise cuts people don’t expect. And now trades are happening like crazy too. Who was the surprise FA #1 WR last year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Hmm, I don’t see it shaking out that way. I don’t see the Colts going WR personally. It’s McShay and it’s a mock draft in December. I would bet every dollar I have that nearly everything he predicted will be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 There will be all kinds of options for the Bills at pick 32. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The Bills have killed the NFL signing 2nd and 3rd tier free agents over the last few years. Their big money should be spent extending their own. Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson need to come back. Matt Milano needs a new deal, and I'd even prioritize working out an extension for Trey White now. Those four guys will all require pretty serious money. The Bills appear to be very heavily based on establishing a culture. At this point the culture is there. Like some of the best teams around the league the next step is to let people inside the building know that if you do your job you'll be taken care of financially. Keep going after cheap vets on 1 and 2 year "prove it" contracts, and if you can get the right 2nd tier guy (think John Brown) who fills a specific need and might be undervalued by the rest of the league, do it. Then keep plugging away in the draft. Pick up another 2-3 year high end rookies and some more depth, and keep building out the roster. We can do both. Sign our own and pick up some big FAs. I keep linking this in my posts, but credit to Virgil for doing the leg work on possible contracts versus our cap space: According to his estimates, we can get all our re-signings and extensions done, and still have $42M in cap space for Free Agents. Even if you think his numbers are low and want to throw on another $10M, that's still $30M left for FAs. That could be 1 big signing, a couple 2nd Tier, and a few 3rd tier. 9 draft picks, $91M in cap space... There is no reason to think we can only do one thing or another in the offseason. All options are open and it's possible to do practically all of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We can do both. Sign our own and pick up some big FAs. I keep linking this in my posts, but credit to Virgil for doing the leg work on possible contracts versus our cap space: According to his estimates, we can get all our re-signings and extensions done, and still have $42M in cap space for Free Agents. Even if you think his numbers are low and want to throw on another $10M, that's still $30M left for FAs. That could be 1 big signing, a couple 2nd Tier, and a few 3rd tier. 9 draft picks, $91M in cap space... There is no reason to think we can only do one thing or another in the offseason. All options are open and it's possible to do practically all of them. I've looked at the free agent lists and honestly very few players have me interested. I'd rather just keep doing what we're doing vs overpay top tier free agents. Keep nailing the draft, and keep adding guys on prove it deals who have talent but don't have big value usually because they're coming off injuries or out of schemes where they weren't really a good fit. Edited December 18, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Who was the surprise FA #1 WR last year? Amari and OBJ were traded.. There wasn’t surprise cuts at receiver last offseason that I can remember. Lot of potential cut targets this offseason. Vikings aren’t keeping Thielen Diggs and Rudolph for one example. Some of the Jet guys may get cut loose, Chargers may fire sale depending on their offseason etc etc etc.. Too early to say there won’t be anyone in free agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 They should have drafted a WR this past year... They need to do it this year, maybe not round 1 but in the 1st 3. Picking in the 20s Is be okay drafting a RT or Guard. Good line play with a good QB is always a recipe for extended success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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