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Found this & alarming.....

 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2019&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0&page=1

 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills-team-stats?season=2019&week=0&category=RECEIVING

 

Knox 26 catches, 9 drops, Singletary 4 of 26, Beasley & Brown too with 4.  Knew it was bad, but downright pathetic.

 

28 drops and 252 completions so drop rate of 11.1%

 

Saints have 26, however 342 completions so 7.6%

 

Bucs 19 of 316 so 6.0%

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Based on the fact that we had this problem last year, and that all four of those guys are new to the team this year- makes you wonder how much of that is on coaching?

 

also, wonder if Allen puts too much heat on the ball. Though I remember a lot of drops that weren’t thrown hard. 

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On Singeltary’s drop on the swing pass last week, did anyone else notice how he tried to move his entire body to catch a ball that was coming in at his waistline? Just use your damn hands!! If he had caught it he would have had more acceleration without dropping his hips.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

also, wonder if Allen puts too much heat on the ball. 

 

I understand the thought process and will not flame you at all for the sentiment, but these are people getting paid a bazillion dollars to catch a football. Brett Favre threw REALLY hard, so did Elway, so do plenty of QB's. Catch the damn ball. Turn up the Jugs machine all week to Plaid, and get it right.

4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Wonder how the 90’s teams drop rates fared in the Rich Stadium winds during the playoffs etc. for comparison?

 

I don't remember them dropping a whole lot when the ball was right there to catch. 

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I think some of it could be conditions, some Allen’s velocity, but the main thing is Allen is throwing to a slot WR, a #2 WR, a rookie RB and rookie TE as his main receiving options.  
 

I don’t know that it gets much better next year given the WR we land probably being a rookie as well, but hopefully the influx of talent will outweigh what may just be something we have to deal with for a while.  
 

This is also everyone’s first year A) with Allen and B) in the windy conditions of Buffalo. 

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Wind means nothing when the ball hits receivers either on the hands or in the chest.  The ball is there.

 

And if a pass catcher can't handle a fastball, then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

 

It's pathetic and it's cost us games.  A lot of these drops have been either imminent first downs or imminent touchdowns.

 

Ridiculous.

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For Singletary and Knox, I attribute it to their college careers: nether were pass catchers. In addition, it does take time for most receivers to get used to the NFL level. 
 

As a reminder, Robert Woods was perpetually flamed here: look at him now. Patience is required at this level for almost everyone. 

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36 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Found this & alarming.....

 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2019&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0&page=1

 

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills-team-stats?season=2019&week=0&category=RECEIVING

 

Knox 26 catches, 9 drops, Singletary 4 of 26, Beasley & Brown too with 4.  Knew it was bad, but downright pathetic.

 

28 drops and 252 completions so drop rate of 11.1%

 

Saints have 26, however 342 completions so 7.6%

 

Bucs 19 of 316 so 6.0%

 

Not that it's good, but pro.football.reference gives our team drop rate as 6.4% - which is leading the league, by a good chalk. 

Last year we were mid-league with 4.8%

 

I am not sure, but I think Knox with his 20% drop rate may be a good part of that increase.  Singletary 10.8% also not good.  Some people attribute this to being rookies, as many times the drop is on easier passes where they have a ton of room - they transition to thinking about the run before they've finished "looking in" the ball.

 

But something is off with the calculation of 11% drops.  It's simply not that high.

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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not that it's good, but pro.football.reference gives our team drop rate as 6.4% - which is leading the league, by a good chalk. 

Last year we were mid-league with 4.8%

 

I am not sure, but I think Knox with his 20% drop rate may be a good part of that increase.  Singletary 10.8% also not good.  Some people attribute this to being rookies, as many times the drop is on easier passes where they have a ton of room - they transition to thinking about the run before they've finished "looking in" the ball.

 

But something is off with the calculation of 11% drops.  It's simply not that high.

The difference is one calculation is based off attempts and the other calculation is based off completions.  However, based off attempts the number is actually 6.9% not 6.4. 

 

edit: the 6.4 could be accurate.  I based off Josh's attempts.  I did not add in Barkley's attempts and Browns one attempt.  Adding them might drop it to 6.4 but I'm not going to bother with it.

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13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But something is off with the calculation of 11% drops.  It's simply not that high.


Drop rate is usually calculated as drops/targets.  That’s the main part of the difference.  Also it looks like the OP tried to figure drops as a percentage of catchable balls, but calculated it as drops/catches instead of drops/(catches+drops).

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1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:


Drop rate is usually calculated as drops/targets.  That’s the main part of the difference.  Also it looks like the OP tried to figure drops as a percentage of catchable balls, but calculated it as drops/catches instead of drops/(catches+drops).

 

I posted above about a difference.  Good catch on this one. I didn't even really look at the math haha.

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45 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

On Singeltary’s drop on the swing pass last week, did anyone else notice how he tried to move his entire body to catch a ball that was coming in at his waistline? Just use your damn hands!! If he had caught it he would have had more acceleration without dropping his hips.

 

 

I thought he turned his head up field too soon, taking his eyes off the ball

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