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26 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Fines don't work with the Patriots, if the league would like to save credibility, has to be a penalty that hurts their record.

My guess is the Patriots MIGHT lose their #1 pick.

Picks loss won't hurt them much either as they often trade down to acquire more picks or get picks in future drafts which they in turn trade again etc. If you're going to send a message it's to  cut out the brain of the operation. I say ban Ernie Adams from all team activities.

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If only this information were available in another thread.  It's inconceivable that this same information is found in another thread, I mean, it's hardly a story after all.  Adding a poll was a nice touch to attempt differentiation. 

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56 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:


I’ve said before and I’ll say again: After the right people die, the world will learn so much more about the depth and breadth of New Englands’s cheating. 

 

I've thought this myself.  Hope it comes out sooner than that.  The Patriots probably make every player/employee sign a ridiculous NDA along with their contract.

 

Really, the players wouldn't even need to know cheating was happening.  Even Brady.  To him, it may seem like the coaches are geniuses because of how quickly they can diagnose defenses and get him in the right play.  I think it was Bruschi who said they would receive the other teams audibles prior to the game.  The players don't know where they come from or the details of how they are obtained, they just do what they're told.

 

To me, this is all on Belichick, Kraft, and probably some other coaches like Adams and McDaniels.  If all these accusations can be proven true they should be banned from the NFL and Kraft should either have to sell the team or become minority owner or something.  

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None of the options presented in the poll are severe enough imo.

 

With the history of the teams owner allowing employee rules violations the organization should have to forfeit this entire season, and no playoffs for two additional seasons. After the above, the team must be sold and moved to London.

 

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Forfeiture of the remaining games this season.   Then similar to college, no postseason play for a couple years.  

 

They are a long time, repeatedly cheating franchise.   Something serious needs to be done.   Any one saying it's not that big a deal has to explain why they keep doing it time after time, knowing they shouldn't.  

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9 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:


they don’t care about picks 

 

honestly there seasons should be forfeited 

 

they become 0-16 and the teams they played keep the W or the L from the result 

 

Only way it would hurt them 

darn, then we’d have the burden of assuming the AFC East title.   I’m not sure I could handle that!

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10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If only this information were available in another thread.  It's inconceivable that this same information is found in another thread, I mean, it's hardly a story after all.  Adding a poll was a nice touch to attempt differentiation. 

Including a Poll is an intentional attempt to avoid a “merge”. It’s akin to saying “I’m filming for a documentary for a movie “Do Your Job”. Clearly a mirror thread after @YoloinOhio has a perfectly good thread which includes all this same information. 

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Of course Belichick is still cheating.

 

Though I wouldn't put it past him that he did this to light a fire under the team. Spygate motivated the team to an undefeated season. He's willing to pay any fine for another Lombardi.

 

Having said that. He deserves the Pete Rose treatment. Enough is enough.  

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59 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Always looking for that edge.  Almost like they want to be caught.

 

The hammer needs to come down!  It's a joke at this point.

Oh - and not a chance Goodell let's that tape see the light of day.

 

And now that they are in decline, they need that extra edge. Glad they got caught this week instead of next. They are repeat offenders and Goodell should drop the hammer on them for once, but he won't.

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

They’re worried about the Bengals? The BENGALS?

 

That's how far they have fallen.

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3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Including a Poll is an intentional attempt to avoid a “merge”. It’s akin to saying “I’m filming for a documentary for a movie “Do Your Job”. Clearly a mirror thread after @YoloinOhio has a perfectly good thread which includes all this same information. 

You, sir, are wise and perspicacious. 

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The Bengals need to release the tape IMMEDIATELY.  That will be the ONLY way to force Goodells hand to doing the right they.  The public backlash will be massive !!!!

 

Now, to anyone who thinks this has not been going on for twenty years.... OPEN YOUR EYES.  The Pats are the most pedestrian team running a JV highschool offense and for 20 years no one has been able to stop their slant passes or crossing routes ?? Bull ship!!!!  THEY CHEAT.  WE KNOW THEY CHEAT.  THEY KEEP GETTING CAUGHT.  

 

How many things do they do, that we don't know about?????  A lot I am sure.  

 

The punishment needs to be massive.  MASSIVE.  No draft picks for 3 years.  Vacatae ALL of their wins, including all six Superbowls.  They cheated on every-single-one, so whybin the world should they be allowed to keep them?!?!?  Ban Belicheater FOR LIFE.  

 

ANYTHING other than something like that, and the Bills should be cheating too.  I'd trade 1 draft pick for 6 Superbowls wouldn't you?????

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14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The 'plausible deniability' is strong for the Hoodie in this one

 

Horse *****.

 

I dare anyone to explain that line of thinking. The most detail-oriented coach of all time, who has 100% autonomy over that organization, who has previously been punished for taping opponents' sidelines in perpetuity even after being warned, is going to allow an independent contractor to go handle video work at another team's stadium on behalf of the organization, while not bothering to ensure that every i is dotted and every T is crossed so that they don't get punished again? He just says "yeah whatever, that's fine"?

 

No. *****. Way.

 

They did it. Like always. They deliberately didn't tell the Bengals--who just happen, by total coincidence, to be their next opponent, and they filmed their sideline to get a competitive advantage. 

 

It's what they do. First the cheat off the field, then they cheat on the field. Like when they played here: They aren't good enough to win fair anymore, so they head hunt the starting QB and then try to take out the backup on his 2nd snap.

 

It's their identity. Win at all costs, and always do whatever is necessary, within or outside the rules, to gain an edge.

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3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Horse *****.

 

I dare anyone to explain that line of thinking. The most detail-oriented coach of all time, who has 100% autonomy over that organization, who has previously been punished for taping opponents' sidelines in perpetuity even after being warned, is going to allow an independent contractor to go handle video work at another team's stadium on behalf of the organization, while not bothering to ensure that every i is dotted and every T is crossed so that they don't get punished again? He just says "yeah whatever, that's fine"?

 

No. *****. Way.

 

They did it. Like always. They deliberately didn't tell the Bengals--who just happen, by total coincidence, to be their next opponent, and they filmed their sideline to get a competitive advantage. 

 

It's what they do. First the cheat off the field, then they cheat on the field. Like when they played here: They aren't good enough to win fair anymore, so they head hunt the starting QB and then try to take out the backup on his 2nd snap.

 

It's their identity. Win at all costs, and always do whatever is necessary, within or outside the rules, to gain an edge.

 

I agree with you on all points, but in terms of league investigation and punishment for the Hoodie, that's the Patriots story and they're sticking to it.

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10 hours ago, NoSaint said:


it’s still a bit odd to me they’d lay tape for 7 other segments just to set up the bengals for this. That’s high level commitment for low level gains. 
 

why not run this scam for a bigger game, no?

 

not so much a defense as a curiousity

Here's my take... everyone says this is a "low level gain".  That they don't get anything really useful from it.  That they're such a great team they don't need to do this, especially when facing a 1 win team.    

 

But... consider the alternative.   They actually get a lot of useful information.  So much so that the only reason they're such a good team is they've been cheating and using this information for more than a decade.  Take away the video tapes, the signal stealing, the headset communications, the audio in visitors locker rooms, the deflated balls, and lord only knows what else... and maybe none of their players or coaches, including Brady and Belicheck, are the greatest of all time.  They're just a bunch of people that have lied, cheated, and swindled the league.   Take away the systemic cheating and my guess is they're all worse than average and Brady and company would be lucky to win one Super Bowl.   

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17 hours ago, MAJBobby said:


Honest Question. Is this really against the Rules?  Doing it during the game (SpyGate) is one thing. Doing it a week before at another game you are not in is NORMAL behavior IMO

Nut job says what?

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28 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If only this information were available in another thread.  It's inconceivable that this same information is found in another thread, I mean, it's hardly a story after all.  Adding a poll was a nice touch to attempt differentiation. 

 

Funny how it is no longer a separate thread.

 

Sorry, @SlimShady'sGhost but I think a punishment poll is premature at this point and we don't need 4 Pats threads on a Bills football board.

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with you on all points, but in terms of league investigation and punishment for the Hoodie, that's the Patriots story and they're sticking to it.

 

Oh I know. I believe that if the league accepts that, then they're 100% complicit in yet another Patriots cheating scandal 

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35 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:


they don’t care about picks 

 

honestly there seasons should be forfeited 

 

they become 0-16 and the teams they played keep the W or the L from the result 

 

Only way it would hurt them 

This.

 

These guys keep winning trophies, and people think these punishments hurt them.

 

They've laughed off every one of these punishments so long as they keep on winning.

 

Something else has to be done to stop it. This doesn't work

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I wonder if Goodell has hard feelings about the way Kraft and the Patriots were uncooperative during the deflated football thing.  

 

 

Presented with hard evidence, after they were previously let off the hook and told to knock it off, I am not so sure Goodell would let this slide.  Not sure the other owners would be cool with that either.

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Just now, BeastMaster said:

This.

 

These guys keep winning trophies, and people think these punishments hurt them.

 

They've laughed off every one of these punishments so long as they keep on winning.

 

Something else has to be done to stop it. This doesn't work

 

I agree. Strip them of every Lombardi they've ever won.

 

Anyone that defends that organization is delusional.

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33 minutes ago, Buffaloaf said:

 

I've thought this myself.  Hope it comes out sooner than that.  The Patriots probably make every player/employee sign a ridiculous NDA along with their contract.

 

Really, the players wouldn't even need to know cheating was happening.  Even Brady.  To him, it may seem like the coaches are geniuses because of how quickly they can diagnose defenses and get him in the right play.  I think it was Bruschi who said they would receive the other teams audibles prior to the game.  The players don't know where they come from or the details of how they are obtained, they just do what they're told.

 

To me, this is all on Belichick, Kraft, and probably some other coaches like Adams and McDaniels.  If all these accusations can be proven true they should be banned from the NFL and Kraft should either have to sell the team or become minority owner or something.  

There is zero - ZERO - chance Brady hasn't had knowledge of, and been complicit with, all the cheating over the past 20 years.  He freaking learned how to play QB by never having his helmet radio turned off on the field for God's sake

7 hours ago, BillsFanInCt74 said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart everyone please read this it explains everything the pats do to cheat. Ex players coming out and ratting on them . You need to know who ernie adams is.

Still think what we know is actually just the tip of the iceberg

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1 hour ago, jimmy10 said:


I’ve said before and I’ll say again: After the right people die, the world will learn so much more about the depth and breadth of New Englands’s cheating. 

Then once and for all public opinion can sway to stop treating them as a model dynastic franchise, and for God's sake stop calling Brady GOAT - it sickens me every time I hear it

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31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Horse *****.

 

I dare anyone to explain that line of thinking. The most detail-oriented coach of all time, who has 100% autonomy over that organization, who has previously been punished for taping opponents' sidelines in perpetuity even after being warned, is going to allow an independent contractor to go handle video work at another team's stadium on behalf of the organization, while not bothering to ensure that every i is dotted and every T is crossed so that they don't get punished again? He just says "yeah whatever, that's fine"?

 

No. *****. Way.

 

They did it. Like always. They deliberately didn't tell the Bengals--who just happen, by total coincidence, to be their next opponent, and they filmed their sideline to get a competitive advantage. 

 

It's what they do. First the cheat off the field, then they cheat on the field. Like when they played here: They aren't good enough to win fair anymore, so they head hunt the starting QB and then try to take out the backup on his 2nd snap.

 

It's their identity. Win at all costs, and always do whatever is necessary, within or outside the rules, to gain an edge.

This. And if they’re filming a documentary about the patriots, why are they filming in a game THAT THE PATRIOTS AREN'T A PART OF?

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