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7 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

So you really think those three law professors are insane?  

more to my point... the Dems are the ones who are insane. if you look at this whole charade objectively, it is the only logical conclusion.

 

7 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

So you really think those three law professors are insane?  

to answer your question directly here, do i think they are insane, no. but i do think #TDS is very real and could be clinically considered a 'condition'.

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26 minutes ago, Capco said:

Idk, but I think it would be pretty difficult to get a job as a law professor at Harvard if you were insane.  Just a hunch though.  

 


When the institution you’re applying for a job at is insane, and the people hiring you are insane, insanity is a prerequisite. 

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3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

more to my point... the Dems are the ones who are insane. if you look at this whole charade objectively, it is the only logical conclusion.

 

to answer your question directly here, do i think they are insane, no. but i do think #TDS is very real and could be clinically considered a 'condition'.

 

Right I got that.  All good.  

 

This whole tangent on insanity is DC Tom's fault anyway.  Let's just blame him.  

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4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

Everyone knows the 4 witnesses were not fact witnesses. 

 

A medical examiner called to the stand in a murder case is not a fact witness.

 

Why is the left gaslighting the public with this lame narrative?

FIFY.

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3 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

Everyone knows the 4 witnesses were not fact witnesses. 

 

A medical examiner called to the stand in a murder case is not a fact witness.

 

Why is the right gaslighting the public with this lame narrative?

 

CNN, the Washintgon Post, the NYT, the LA Times, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Politico, The Hill, USA Today, NPR, Vox, The Atlantic, and Bloomberg are all calling them "witnesses."

 

Who's gaslighting whom?

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9 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

CNN, the Washintgon Post, the NYT, the LA Times, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Politico, The Hill, USA Today, NPR, Vox, The Atlantic, and Bloomberg are all calling them "witnesses."

 

Who's gaslighting whom?


up in down. 

 

Something the TDS sufferers have yet to figure out. And it’s almost too late for them to realize they’ve been had. 

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The real question is; how long does RBG have to live?

This can't all be about the OIG report and the last administration's graft and spying as it will all come out in the Senate. There has to be more. A claim that a SC seat cannot be filled while a President is being impeached? Then, when the impeachment trial is over trying to say "election year so no SC seat can be filled"? The election year one I'd expect Mitch to say LOLGFY, but while under impeachment?  Think he'd still go forward with a SC nomination? 

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42 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:


They are entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand. They offer nothing worthwhile. They weren’t objective. They weren’t fact witnesses. 
 

They were trotted out on stage with a script written by the democrats specifically so people like you would be blinded by their academic credentials and not look any further. 
 

It worked on you. That should alarm you. 

 

36 minutes ago, dubs said:


When the institution you’re applying for a job at is insane, and the people hiring you are insane, insanity is a prerequisite. 

 

See, rhetoric like this I find concerning.  The higher institutions of education in this country are one of its central pillars, on par with the military.  There's a reason why people around the world come here in droves to attend our universities.  

 

On some level it feels like people are being conditioned to discredit experts simply because those experts have conclusions they disagree with.  Expertise and specialized roles are very important to a high functioning society.  No one single person can become an expert in every field, and this idea that any person can do all their own research and come to more accurate conclusions than people who have focused on this one single field for a lifetime is for the birds. 

 

You can't expect every single person to be a doctor and lawyer and physicist and nutritionist and farmer and hunter and mechanic and plumber and tailor and shipwright and the hundreds of other specialized roles that feed off of each other.  That's why we lean on other people's expertise on a daily basis.  Scientific advancement would come to a crawl without collaboration between researchers, for example.  

 

But to lean on experts requires trust, and that trust is being actively eroded from without while those very same people eroding that trust claim that it is the institution itself that is eroding from within. 

 

If we need to have a conversation about reforming parts of higher education, that's fine.  But what we're seeing instead is a wholesale dismantling of the respect and trust in that institution.  That's what should alarm you.  

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Just now, Capco said:

 

 

See, rhetoric like this I find concerning.  The higher institutions of education in this country are one of its central pillars, on par with the military.  


You are exposing yourself to be a fool with the above statement. 
 

That is laughably ignorant of reality. 

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1 minute ago, Capco said:

 

 

 

But to lean on experts requires trust, and that trust is being actively eroded from without while those very same people eroding that trust claim that it is the institution itself that is eroding from within. 


I am a highly educated person w an advanced degree. I went to good schools, I know first hand what they are like and who they produce. The trust erosion you’re talking about was entirely earned due to THEIR ***** ups. Not the other way around. 
 

The point here is these witnesses are not experts in ANYTHING relevant to the impeachment case being built. Not a single thing. 
 

They were trotted out to read a script and blind you with their academic credentials — not to lend their expertise on this topic. 
 


Stop appealing to authority and start thinking for yourself. It’s the only way to survive The (did)information war we are all combatants in at present. 

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8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:


You are exposing yourself to be a fool with the above statement. 
 

That is laughably ignorant of reality. 

 

No, it actually isn't.  The modern university system was built on military cooperation, so it's entirely accurate to call them a pillar of the nation on par with the military.

 

Probably not what he meant, though.

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9 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, it actually isn't.  The modern university system was built on military cooperation, so it's entirely accurate to call them a pillar of the nation on par with the military.

 

Probably not what he meant, though.

 

West Point and the Army Corps of Engineers were instrumental to the building of infrastructure in the early days of the nation.  Without those engineers the nation develops much slower.  You also saw a huge boom as a result of R&D during WWII.  

 

I mean I was just quoting someone else when I said that it was a pillar on par with the military.  Not even an original idea or anything.  

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45 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I'm routinely thankful I chose not to go to Harvard.

My wife did for her graduate degree. At least half of her classmates I’ve met are insufferable.

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Over at the Hill there is a video clip of Mitch saying he'd go it with only Republican rules if necessary. The article says more (not sure how true the rest of the article is as the video clip and article don't exactly match-up).

Anyhoooo worth the 30 second listen.  Link to video

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31 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

CNN, the Washintgon Post, the NYT, the LA Times, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Politico, The Hill, USA Today, NPR, Vox, The Atlantic, and Bloomberg are all calling them "witnesses."

 

Who's gaslighting whom?

 

Fact witnesses and expert witnesses are both witnesses. 

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10 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, it actually isn't.  The modern university system was built on military cooperation, so it's entirely accurate to call them a pillar of the nation on par with the military.

 

Probably not what he meant, though.

 

In design sure. 

 

In implementation no. 

 

Endowments and dark money funding the universities for decades has changed that equation mightily. 

6 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

I mean I was just quoting someone else when I said that it was a pillar on par with the military.  Not even an original idea or anything.  

 

Of course you were. Why have an original thought when you can show your deference to your betters by appealing to authority?

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12 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

My wife did for her graduate degree. At least half of her classmates I’ve met are insufferable.


Hubby has a very "prestigious" education.  When we first started dating, my family thought he was a condescending snob. LOL  No one would call him that now. I think it is just what the Ivy League and "upper tier" graduate schools produce as it is so insular and moneyed. If you (generic "prestigious"-school -graduate "you") venture out into the real world, you mellow and expand. If you stay locked in an ivory tower away from deplorables, you don't grow, and pretty soon, you start believing your own bull####.  

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Of course you were. Why have an original thought when you can show your deference to your betters by appealing to authority?

 

Oh idk, because an original thought isn't always necessary as part of a supporting argument?  I mean I get the slight you're trying to send but... yeah lol.  

 

You go ahead and keep on thinking you are the one with all the answers while you try to portray the experts as holier-than-thou.  Oh boy.  

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6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Hubby has a very "prestigious" education.  When we first started dating, my family thought he was condescending snob. LOL  No one would call him that now. I think it is just what the Ivy League and "upper tier" graduate schools produce as it is so insular and moneyed. If you (generic "prestigious"-school -graduate "you") venture out into the real world, you mellow and expand. If you stay locked in an ivory tower away from deplorables, you don't grow, and pretty soon, you start believing your own bull####.  

 

Which is why hundreds a year are directly funneled into the government leviathan before ever stepping foot in the real world. 

 

That's how you build an establishment political class of bureaucrats who think they, not the President, should be in charge because they went to Harvard.

4 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Oh idk, because an original thought isn't always necessary as part of a supporting argument?  I mean I get the slight you're trying to send but... yeah lol.  

 

You go ahead and keep on thinking you are the one with all the answers while you try to portray the experts as holier-than-thou.  Oh boy.  

 

You misunderstand me completely if you think my position is that I have all the answers. It's quite the opposite. The only thing I know for certain is that I do not know everything. 

 

That causes me to question things more than most, and look deeper. 

 

We are, right now, in an information war. It's global, it's bigger and more invasive than any that has come before it. The position you're advocating for is one of laziness and only assures your own ignorance. Outsourcing your own freethinking to your "betters" because of where they went to school is how you assure that you stay a debt slave for life. Just trying to get you to open your eyes, bud. :beer: 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

stay a debt slave for life

 

Another topic for another time and one I think we'd share a lot of common ground on.  I gotta run to lunch with the old man but either way it's always nice chatting back and forth.  

 

You have a good one (and same to everyone else).  

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6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Hubby has a very "prestigious" education.  When we first started dating, my family thought he was condescending snob. LOL  No one would call him that now. I think it is just what the Ivy League and "upper tier" graduate schools produce as it is so insular and moneyed. If you (generic "prestigious"-school -graduate "you") venture out into the real world, you mellow and expand. If you stay locked in an ivory tower away from deplorables, you don't grow, and pretty soon, you start believing your own bull####.  

I generally agree, but these were graduate students who had supposedly already spent time in the “real world.”  

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54 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

Everyone knows the 4 witnesses were not fact witnesses. 

 

A medical examiner called to the stand in a murder case is not a fact witness.

 

Why is the right gaslighting the public with this lame narrative?

 

13 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Fact witnesses and expert witnesses are both witnesses. 

 

Make up your ***** mind.  :rolleyes:

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